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SA12 · 25-05-2005, 03:04 PM

Is it a myth or truth that creatine and coffee taken together stops the creatine from being absorbed properly?

ChefX · 25-05-2005, 03:18 PM

Yes, its a myth.

Bigdav · 25-05-2005, 03:19 PM

If anything, it may actually increase the uptake slightly, but to my knowledge there hasnt been much testing on the subject

SA12 · 25-05-2005, 03:20 PM

Thanks guys, I thought that was the case after reading course material my dad got when he went to a discussion in a local college.

But I wanted to make sure before I started mixing it with the coffee and drinking it

Cheers

ChefX · 25-05-2005, 03:22 PM

There has been testing on it, lots... using tea, coffee and about everything under the sun.

Warm liquids actually help to disolve the creatine making it more effective and lowers the stomach upset (from water pulling) so in many cases (not all) hot tea and coffee with some honey in it was the best way to deliver creatine.

The MYTH of caffeine and hot stuf like tea and coffeee was started by a couple of supplement companies selling their scam delivery systems. (think of the first one... phospha... get it?)

Bigdav · 25-05-2005, 03:24 PM

Warm or hot liquids? I know that keeping creatine in a warm place for a long time degrades it to creatinine, so wouldnt the same hold true for putting it in your coffee?

ChefX · 25-05-2005, 03:32 PM

no bigdav, breakdown takes time, you store dry powdered creatine in a cool dry place, but when you mix it you put it into a warm wet body.. follow?

People overeact to breakdowns, creatine can be stored for an entire day in liquid (like a thermos) with no ill effect, but going for more than say 2 days that way and your pressing your luck.

fits · 25-05-2005, 03:45 PM

Good to hear someone clearing up myths!!!

I have always wondered about the caffine/creatine thing! cheers

BSF James · 25-05-2005, 11:13 PM

chef - do you have any links to articles on this? its something I'm quite interested in.

I've always been told (by supp companies we buy from, training courses I've attended etc..) that caffeine shouldnt be taken with creatine so am interested to see it proved wrong. If it is I'll be happy as I like to take creatine and coffee before training but have always only taken one or the other.

ChefX · 25-05-2005, 11:24 PM

silentbob try it for yourself... studies matter little if it works for you.

Do two weeks of one way (with caffeine), take a week off then try it again two weeks the other (without)... since in this case all your trying to see is if the caffeine has any effect make that the only change you make.

ChefX · 25-05-2005, 11:29 PM

Here is the study that caused the concern, take a very close look at how it was layed out and the improper data gathered and it proves the opposite of the debate

Graham, T.E., Hibbert, E., & Sathasivam, P. (1998). Metabolic and exercise endurance effects of coffee and caffeine ingestion. Journal of Applied Physiology, 85, 883-889

but here is one you want as well
Vanakoski et al, Int J Clin Pharmacol Ther. 36(5):258-62; 1998

cheers

Conan · 26-05-2005, 12:59 AM

personally i would not like to put the to together
think id puke!!!!!!!!!!!

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25-05-2005, 03:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	Yes, its a myth.

25-05-2005, 03:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bigdav Move along, nothing to see here Join Date: May 2005 Location: Aberdooom Posts: 615	If anything, it may actually increase the uptake slightly, but to my knowledge there hasnt been much testing on the subject

25-05-2005, 03:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
SA12 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: UK Posts: 1,364	Thanks guys, I thought that was the case after reading course material my dad got when he went to a discussion in a local college. But I wanted to make sure before I started mixing it with the coffee and drinking it Cheers

25-05-2005, 03:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	There has been testing on it, lots... using tea, coffee and about everything under the sun. Warm liquids actually help to disolve the creatine making it more effective and lowers the stomach upset (from water pulling) so in many cases (not all) hot tea and coffee with some honey in it was the best way to deliver creatine. The MYTH of caffeine and hot stuf like tea and coffeee was started by a couple of supplement companies selling their scam delivery systems. (think of the first one... phospha... get it?)

25-05-2005, 03:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
Bigdav Move along, nothing to see here Join Date: May 2005 Location: Aberdooom Posts: 615	Warm or hot liquids? I know that keeping creatine in a warm place for a long time degrades it to creatinine, so wouldnt the same hold true for putting it in your coffee?

25-05-2005, 03:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	no bigdav, breakdown takes time, you store dry powdered creatine in a cool dry place, but when you mix it you put it into a warm wet body.. follow? People overeact to breakdowns, creatine can be stored for an entire day in liquid (like a thermos) with no ill effect, but going for more than say 2 days that way and your pressing your luck.

25-05-2005, 03:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
fits Getting HUGE! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East London Posts: 1,387	Good to hear someone clearing up myths!!! I have always wondered about the caffine/creatine thing! cheers

25-05-2005, 11:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
BSF James UK-Muscle Sponsor Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Telford Posts: 1,259	chef - do you have any links to articles on this? its something I'm quite interested in. I've always been told (by supp companies we buy from, training courses I've attended etc..) that caffeine shouldnt be taken with creatine so am interested to see it proved wrong. If it is I'll be happy as I like to take creatine and coffee before training but have always only taken one or the other.

25-05-2005, 11:24 PM	#10 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	silentbob try it for yourself... studies matter little if it works for you. Do two weeks of one way (with caffeine), take a week off then try it again two weeks the other (without)... since in this case all your trying to see is if the caffeine has any effect make that the only change you make.

25-05-2005, 11:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	Here is the study that caused the concern, take a very close look at how it was layed out and the improper data gathered and it proves the opposite of the debate Graham, T.E., Hibbert, E., & Sathasivam, P. (1998). Metabolic and exercise endurance effects of coffee and caffeine ingestion. Journal of Applied Physiology, 85, 883-889 but here is one you want as well Vanakoski et al, Int J Clin Pharmacol Ther. 36(5):258-62; 1998 cheers

26-05-2005, 12:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
Conan Newbie Trainer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: manchester Posts: 80	personally i would not like to put the to together think id puke!!!!!!!!!!!