jt_222

Hi guys,has anyone got any info about how to boost your testosterone level.Also has anyone tried tribex testosterone booster.

Pscarb

Tribulas, DHEA both are good for boosting Test levels but what is your age??

as alot of these test boosters don't realy work that well on guys between 18-25ish as there test levels are pretty high naturally.

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jt_222

I'm 22 year's old.been weight training for about 2 year now without making any great gains.

ChefX

there are many ways to boost test levels if your imbalanced, almost none if everything is in place.

trib, mumie, ecdy, sib and others help you adapt to stress and bring test levels back to ideal or help recovery but none of them take you out or above normal ranges.

IMO

problem with tribulus is there are only a couple brands that are l;egit, same goes for ecdy and mumie.

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Timmy Smooth

I thought Tribulus, too.

If you think you haven't made decent gains after two years training, could it be down to a factor like diet or training routine? Why don't you post your stats somewhere, including what you eat and train. There's a whole bunch of people here that could advise about how to obtain better gains without resorting to expensive supplementation...

hackskii

Chef, is this:
Moomiyo
Ecdysten or Ecdysterone

Do you take this during cycle or post cycle or just on its own?

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ChefX

IMO
H, on its own or with or without cycle as the actions are different from gear, think more adaptogenic, funny thing is we know that trib (with active Protodioscin) works independant of LH now and hence its not just useful post cycle or stuff like that. Mum, ecdy and sib all always work on a non hormonal pathway.

The other thing is these items have been proven with specific training and diets (think soviet styles aka iso cal/zone/nerve/strength/function) hence many people doing radically different diets/training will not get the "same" effect. This is not to say it will not work on another diet or training than my own, it just says the closer they are to what they were originally intended the better they work.

IMO
only one brand makes legit ecdy thats thermolife
only 2 companies have decent trib thats thermolife and sohparma (biotest I don't trust but has a formula that used to be 1/4 strength so you had to take many times the label amount listed)
as far as moomiyo the best brand is still altay, I know a few others out there but its quite hard to find and all of them are Russian

Now, as far as why I can say this, I have tested in person, in the lab and also talked with sources for this stuff (yes in the former soviet republics as well) As an example Many bottles of trib have 100% tribulus in them, but it doesn't have any of the active ingridient (Protodioscin) due to improper manufacturing/harvesting techniques. A big problem with any herb. To make matters worse, many companies list tribulus but cut it with a weed, nothing dangerous just not effective at all either. Also many suppliers sell this weed mixture and tell or show the company buying the raw stuff an illegit essay on it. The supplement industry is far far from legit, hence if you ever try a product and it doesn't work, better to try a few other brand names of something to make sure that it was the item not the actual brand. Which brings up a point as well. I have found that when you use a single ingridient item you almost always get better results and more pure accurate dosage. Many herbal mixtures or supplement mixtures are not consistent. A fantastic example of this is ECA/ECY products. Purchase pure ephedreine , caffeiene and Yohimbine and take them in the right dose level 10/100/2 yes that is the right mixture its always 1 part eph to 10 parts caffeine for the synergy and in the pure stuff you need way less of it, you will see. Those who have trouble getting the items I suggest in my alchemy would do very well to just buy the induvidual items from the combinations if you can't find the right brand/product. it will increase your odds of getting the right amounts.

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hackskii

Oh, I just got a woodie reading that post.
Impressive Chef.....VERY!!!!

I found all the stuff online but the sib, could not find that anywhere.
Did a good bunch of reading on those other supps and yes all Russian influenced and researched.
Funny thing, everywhere I went (researched) It was the same article.

Chef can you take all of these together?
If not then which ones or one?

Dont bother giving the dose as I will double or triple it anyway

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Vernon

Hi
Yes i feel there is a way to increase testosterone. All hormones are messengers and oil based, much the same some anabolics which are oil based all oils are fats and the simplist fats are omega 3s which means all hormones are fat derivatives.
If you increase your amount of omega 3 (cold pressed organic hemp oil is the best) by drinking it the body has the best most avaibale oils needed to create or increase any hormone. Flax seed is second best choice and your joins will feel like its their birthday to. Why know one knows this is the same way hardly anyone how inportant EFAs are which not suprisingly are called ESSENTIAL fatty acids. When using flax get the golden linseeds or brown linseeds and grind them yourself dont trust the garbage that is sold in transparent bottles or pills these oils are very delicate and light heat oxygen sensetive thats why eveyone walking around is deficient. And dont trust farmed fish. salmon is not salmon if its farmed.

kind regards
vern

ChefX

Good post Vernon yes fish oils have been shown to boost test levels... but again only to upper ideal normal (as far as I know)

Hackskii, the siberian ginseng sib (Eleuthero) is pretty common, the hard part is getting real Eleuthero and not panax or korean as many comapnies do a sub and dont tell ya and most of the chinese stuff is crap/adultrated. Of all stuff this is the one elusive supplement the soviets used with great success (treatment for overtraining and pre comp) but the Americans could never duplicate, later it was found out the Americans had mistranslated again (see the original dbol stuff where the americans moved the decimal point! LOL)

As far as research on the web, the mum is all a copy of a leaked out letter sent from one coach to another years ago. You need to go read the actual Russian sites (try a translater or study some Russian as I did its well worth it see Мумиио) Almost all of the good research on performance herbs/supps were completed during the cold war era in Germany and Russian (soviet su) so you have to look for links to materials that way. I got most of mine from working at/with a military lab my cousin is director of as well as having friends in Russia and other countries send me old school text and collected papers, its well worth the reads, but like anything grain of salt and self test.

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Ah just realized that it didn't post the way I typed it, for some reason it changed the Russian letter to numbers oops. LOL

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hackskii

Good post Vern.
Actually Testosterone is made from Cholesterol.

Omega 3's do promote good eicasinoid production, prostate health, fat loss, anti-depression, lower triglicerides, joint health, great for cardiovascular system, and a number of other good things.

I take about 12 fish oils a day with meals and I swear by these. One of the only supplements that I have found that I actually can feel a diffrence.
Another thing I noticed was I urinate harder with more volume and I attributed this to a healthier prostate.

Look at the benefits of them compaired to how cheap they are?
Plus you can buy them anywhere.
If you are not getting enough fish/salmon then fish oils are a easy and cheap way of supplementing EFA's


Chef, I cant seem to find the mumie.
I am going to a place that just might have it in a raw form.

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nomore1324

yea i guess tribulus is okay. i have had muchmuch better success with the not so popular t bomb II. Very goood i give it a ten as far as products go for boosting natural test.

Stallion

Hey guys, ive literally just started tribex and to be honest havent felt much improvement in aggression or sexual appetite. However to be told i am naturally aggresssive anyway but was hopin for more of a gain. Don't get me wrong i can feel agression inside me waiting to come out. I must say though that muscle mass has very much improved i have become a lot more broader but would still like to see more gains so ill get back to you in around 2 weeks to tell you my verdict.

ChefX

what diet are you using it with?
which brand?
how much per day?
how as in days off and on?
what other supps are you taking it with?
what training style are you using?
what other factors are happening( sleep, lifestyle)?

These all effect if a supplement will work + many many more.

Many times people take a supplement to grow big and strong like tall building but forget that building that on a foundation of shifting sands doesn't work.

make sense?

cheers

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