Lee

anyone used this before?

how does it compare to the ECA stack?

ive heard good things about it and might look into tryin it.


thoughts/opinions?

cheers

DB

havent used it...but tried sann tight and that stuff was strong

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powerU

I'm using San tight at the moment, it works well BF is dropping, wouldn't say it was that strong though, what dose did you take DB, 1 or 2 per day?

Pscarb

SAN Tight is very good but it is more of a thyroid stim and really wouldnt compare to a ECA stack type fat burner...

Lee Hydroxycut is crap in my opinion as no OTC Supplements at this moment has any Eph in it the best one on the market that comes close is Eph25+ you can get it from some net shops.

John

Eph25+

I have to agree Paul, its really good im stuck at 4 per day, i find it too uch at that, i get a strange feeling in my stomach, and maybe a bit anxious.

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ChefX

better to take the lower dosage of ECY (notice the Y not the A)

Aspirin lowers the results of the EC combination, it wasn't discovreed until later on. So the magazines and bull**** writers had already publisized it was perfect, it was far from it. Yohimbine was the third item you wanted to add in as it actually unlocked the block caused by the body allowing the EC to work better, to extend the length of time it works try the narnegin or better yet the amino acid tyrosine.

If your in the USA just get Primatine tablets as they are ehperdrine, but it looks like the USA is lifting its ephrada ban soon as a jusgde said the fda ruling was wrong.

Langers

Tight contains Citrus Aurantium (Synephrine), green tea and Coleus Forskohlii, which are all thermogenics. Infact Synephrine is very to ephedrine.

hackskii

Green tea is not a thermogenic.
It does help carbohydrate asslmilation.

Unless I missed this before I maybe wrong but I have never heard this before.

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Stu

I always thought green tea was a thermogenic

Stu

Astract from Green Tea by David Tolson

Green tea and body composition

Recent research has confirmed that green tea can cause weight loss through multiple pathways. In addition to being a potent appetite supressant, green tea increases thermogenesis, preferentially burning fat over protein in a similar manner to many other thermogenics. Green tea has been demonstrated to be as or more effective than some prescription weight loss medications, and may rival the ECA stack in terms of fat loss. In addition, green tea is one of the few weight loss medications that has not been associated with negative effects on the cardiovascular system (such as increased heart rate and blood pressure) or CNS side effects (such as overstimulation and irritability). More research is needed before the level of effectiveness of green tea can be more conclusively determined, but the present data shows a clear benefit.

Green tea has been known to be a thermogenic agent for quite some time, but the thermogenesis was usually attributed to the caffeine content. It was then found in an in vitro experiment with brown adipose tissue that the thermogenic effect of green tea was "much greater than can be attributed to its caffeine content per se" [19]. Other in vitro experiments also demonstrate that green tea inhibits lipogenesis (the creation of fat) [20, 21]. In rodents, studies with both green tea and green tea powder have shown that it decreases body weight and food intake [22, 23] and inhibits lipogenesis [24].

Two important studies have been done assessing the thermogenic effect of green tea in humans. The first was a preliminary study that compared the effects of green tea extract (containing 150 mg caffeine and 270 mg EGCG), caffeine (150 mg), and placebo on 24-hour energy expenditure. While caffeine alone increased energy expenditure by about .6% over placebo (which was not statistically significant in this study), the green tea extract increased it by 3.5%. Additionally, while the oxidation of fat contributed to 31.6% of energy expenditure in the placebo group, in contributed 41.5% in the green tea extract group, indicating that the increase in energy expenditure was due to the breakdown of fat, not protein. Measurements of urinary nitrogen excretion, which were significantly different between treatments, further supported this contention. It is also interesting to note that thermogenic response was not correlated with body mass index (BMI), implying that green tea may be equally as effective in relatively lean individuals. Finally, the increased thermogenesis was not accompanied by an increase in heart rate, which makes green tea distinct from other thermogenic drugs [25].

The second study was a three month open trial with 70 subjects using the same dosage of the same extract as in the above study (150 mg caffeine, 375 mg total catechins, 270 mg EGCG per day). Treatment with green tea was well tolerated and associated with a body weight reduction of 4.6% and a reduction of waist circumference of 4.5% [1]. Hopefully these promising results will be followed by larger placebo-controlled studies.

Green tea has many mechanisms of action in stimulating weight loss. The most important is probably the inhibition of catechol-O-methyl-transferase (COMT) by EGCG [1, 19, 25]. COMT is the enzyme that breaks down norepinephrine (NE), one of the body's most important lipolytic hormones. Caffeine also plays a synergistic role by inhibiting phosophdiesterases (enzymes that break down cAMP, which is further down the lipolytic pathway) [19, 25]. Although EGCG is the most responsible, some flavanoids found in small amounts in green tea such as quercetin and myricetin also inhibit COMT and may play a minor role [25].

Secondly, green tea decreases the digestibility of dietary fat [1, 26]. The proposed mechanism of action is inhibition of both gastric and pancreatic lipase, which has been demonstrated in vitro [1]. These enzymes both play major roles in the digestion of fat, so when they are inhibited a smaller proportion of fat is absorbed and a greater proportion excreted.

Green tea is also a potent appetite suppressant. This can be partly explained by the fact that it increases both NE and dopamine [14, 25], but further mechanisms of action have been hypothesized. Specifically, tea polyphenols have been known to elevate levels of cholecystokinin (CCK) [2], a hormone which depresses food intake [2, 22]. It is not yet known whether this plays a significant role in the action of green tea, and one of the effects of elevated CCK is an increase in pancreatic lipase, which is actually inhibited by green tea. It could be that green tea simultaneously elevates CCK and decreases pancreatic lipase, conferring the benefits of both appetite suppression and decreased fat digestibility.

Finally, the antioxidant properties of green tea may play a role in the lipolytic effect [20-22]. One cell culture study suggested that green tea inhibited lipogenesis by increasing superoxide dismutase activity and subsequently decreasing the formation of free radicals [20], while another suggests that vitamin C from green tea plays a role in its lipolytic activity [21]. Even if the antioxidant activity turns out to have little to do with the breakdown of fat, it leads to many health benefits that will be discussed in greater detail in following sections.

DB

jus 1 mae...

but then again i have no caffene in my diet and have never taken stimulants b4 stripped me quick i thought

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the reason for the green tea is that it contains EGCG - it contains potent antioxidant compounds called polyphenols. There are four primary polyphenols in green tea. While all four appear to have protective value, epigallocatechin gallate (EGCG) occurs in the greatest amounts and has the strongest benefits. EGCG is an antioxidant that is several times more potent than vitamin E. It also prolongs the life of norepinephrine, which triggers thermogenesis. As a result, EGCG keeps the thermogenic process going for a longer period of time, allowing it to boost your metabolic rate and facilitating fat loss.[i]

ChefX

looking at the above it basially says green tea alone is not thermogenic, but combined with a thermogenic like ephedrine it can increase the effect or in this case, lower the amount needed to get the best results (tyrosine does this as well)

Timmy Smooth

I tried Hydroxycut last year and wasn't impressed.

hackskii

I thought that thermo meant heat, like rising the body's core temp.
This where the term thermo comes from.
Like thermostat - to regulate heat
Thermos - to keep things hot

I dont look at Green tea as that.
I have spent alot of money on green tea and I bought the extract at 10 bottles and each dropper was equal to 20 cups of green tea.
I bought it for fat loss and it did nothing, nothing at all and spent hundreds on it.

On the news just last week they were saying that the way some of the companies were processing the Green Tea made it worthless.
I cant recall if it was the ingrediants that they used that made it a health risk or the proccess involved stripped the polyphenols from it. Either way it was just last week.

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