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winger · 26-04-2005, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by demon

So how did it go then Hacks?

He didn't notice that much for what he paid. Bottom line. Too expensive. But when you are a single guy. You have money to burn. Oh that reminds me. He owes me for lunch..........lol.

SportDr · 20-05-2005, 02:30 PM

Maybe found a source of Raw Cow (Bovine) Colostrum. YOu have to get it raw as when they process it to put it in capsules, it kills off a lot of the benefits but Raw it rocks!.....supposedly.

If I get some and try it, I will let you know, it's packed with immunity boosters and growth hormone, not sure how much to take?? Maybe Hackskii didnt take enough each day? perhaps there is a therapeutic dose, does anyone know what it is in pints/litres?

I think I would try it for a week monitor changes if any then perhaps up the dose each week, recording any changes as I go.

SD

ChefX · 20-05-2005, 05:20 PM

baically think of whey's benefits on steroids LOL

yeah Im serious

Pete · 20-05-2005, 05:31 PM

Woah, whey on steroids.......cool!!

Pete · 20-05-2005, 05:35 PM

So would you have this in place of whey Chef, at all times, or still have whey post workout?
How much is it SD?

**hackskii** · 20-05-2005, 05:43 PM

I was not impressed:(
For the money, I was not impressed at all.
In fact I think the guy kindof screwed me.
Got 3 bottles of about 16oz. each. I kept them frozen and took about 4-6oz a day (too small) and then I found out that the first two tasted really good.
When I got to the last bottle it was yellow (kindof) and didnt taste all that good (not compared like the first two), so in retrospect, I think the first two bottles were nothing more than goats milk.
48 oz = $70.00.............OUCH!:(
Now, if I could get the last bottle and get just that stuff then I would take it again but I would do this on a calorie restricted diet with T3 and clen, yohimbe, and cayenne. That stuff makes me very hot. Technically I feel you could almost live on that stuff and the weight would probably go pretty fast drinking some every like 2 hours.
Just speculation of course but this is how I would do it.

I am losing fast right now (probably too fast) so I dont want to mess with what I am doing right now.
It is hard to tell what is going on as I am taking so many things I cant put my finger on the fast weight loss. 18 lbs in 6 weeks = 3 lbs a week average.
The last thing I want to do is go catabolic.

But for the most part, I attribute the colostrum as being not all colostrum and I did not take enough to really notice the diffrence, and for the price it is just not worth it.
I was quite disappointed.

Another application might be to take it when one is sick. The extra immunities might just help things along.

winger · 20-05-2005, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

Another application might be to take it when one is sick. The extra immunities might just help things along.

Or take it so you dont get sick in the first place.

I dont need it, but then again I never got in a car crash and had my spleen removed eather.........opsie..

ChefX · 20-05-2005, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

For the money, I was not impressed at all.

This is the problem, real fresh colostrum is extremely expensive for its return.

I was kinda poking fun at the whey on steroids (like the old saying it feels like deca LOL)

Point being, colostrum is a good product, like top quality whey isolate, but for its cost to benefit of return, it's not worth it IMO. the benefits are only slightly above that of whey isolate so for the money, buy the good whey based products. I use designer whey but there are many other good wheys.

IMO

**hackskii** · 20-05-2005, 06:09 PM

Think of how much whey I could have bought for that $70.00 I wasited by shopping at lets say Mothers.
I could have bought 15-18 lbs of whey for that price.

Oh well, next time someone askes me about what do I think about colostrum I can answer them with athority

ChefX · 20-05-2005, 06:51 PM

Hackskii, don't worry I would have paid a few hundred to have suckled from a real woman lactating at one time. LOL

I know of an olympic gold medal winner from the 70's who actually did this. He found 3 women giving birth between 1 to 3 months before the games. He paid each to allow him to direct suckle each day up till the games. Now, he calims he did no drugs just that, but his reulsts in the pantethalon were unbeleivable especially for a white guy. Makes you wonder eh?

The original MetrX formula was based on human breast milk (hence the title human metabolism prescription) It was created for burn victum recovery where their is massive tissue wasting. the idea was through nutrient partitioning to preven tissue breakdown. Then they moved the idea to athletics with good success. later the took out the two items that worked in it and made it a cheap knock off. those two items were micelluar whey protein aka milk protein isolates and as well colostrum isolates. The closest you can get to mimicking this now for a good cost is whey protein and honey, later take fish oils caps to get your omega 3's.

Anyway IMO
cheers

winger · 20-05-2005, 07:17 PM

Makes sense. After all it is what mother nature put on this earth for us to start life on. How much more natural can you get?
I would pay 3 girls to suck on there tits and have no milk come out, that's just me though.

**hackskii** · 20-05-2005, 07:32 PM

Yah burn victoms also take Ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate (OKG) to prevent a form of catabolism of the skin.
I have thought of taking this as well during dieting to avoid catabolism.
Bought many bottles of this and am dieting now but forget to take it.

Short copy and paste of OKG:
By Joachim Bartoll / Thorax.
Ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate (OKG) is a salt formed of two molecules of ornithine and one molecule of alpha-ketoglutarate. Studies in the medical field have shown that ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate preserve muscle protein synthesis and spares nitrogen after elective surgery.

OKG treatment decreases muscle protein catabolism and/or increases synthesis, according to the metabolic situation. The anti-catabolic effect might not be from OKG alone. OKG increases the plasma concentrations of, for example, arginine, leucine, isoleucine, tyrosine, glutamine, proline, and ornithine. There are several studies that show these amino acids to have anabolic properties; hence, the anti-catabolic effect.

As far as I know there haven't been any studies on athletes and OKG. We have to relate to the medical studies. Some studies has shown OKG to increase growth hormone levels, but it is not known if this will help the athlete. The most interesting aspect of OKG is that it helps to increase the levels of glutamine in the muscle cells. As I mentioned in my article about glutamine, high glutamine levels have a very anti-catabolic effect, especially in people under severe stress such as hard training or fasten. Some studies have shown OKG to have positive effects on the immune system, this due to the increased amount of arginine in the blood stream. However, more data are necessary in order to find out in vivo the effect of ornithine on the immune system, which is influenced by many hormonal factors.

As with all supplements, the dosage varies depending on your weight (muscle mass), activity level and food intake. I recommend 10-20 grams a day. Take one half about an hour before training and the second half before bedtime. Take your OKG together with carbohydrates. No side effects have been reported from OKG supplementation when taken in recommended dosages. Higher dosages might cause stomach problems such as diarrhea. OKG seems to be a good supplement for athletes during hard training and/or diet.

ChefX · 20-05-2005, 07:49 PM

TBH IMO hackskii the reason whey is so good is because of the glutamine found in it. They (burn centers) used to use okg before they realized peptide bonded chains with high glutamine was a bit better. Still OKG is a good supplement when hard core dieting.

**hackskii** · 20-05-2005, 08:46 PM

Oh, gotchya.
Thanks.
I bought some of this whey protein at a health food store I was buying herbs at (too lazy to go to a good place).
That stuff does not mix at all.
In a blender you get a bucket of foam.
I let it sit and still foam.
It is useless for doing anything with, except a paperweight.
I need to break down and get some good protein.
I dont think I am taking in enough.
Did the calculations and I was about 25-50 grams shy for the day.

ChefX · 20-05-2005, 08:54 PM

IMO
You're probally getting complete whey which is really excellent for a sore throat or a cold. Add some sugar free pudding (jello brand) mix (thats sugar free angels delight in the UK) to the whey you bought, the problem is your trying to put a lipid base into a hydro environment... think emulsion. Follow?

The pudding mix will allow it to stay in the water/milk, then let it sit a bit and the air will go out. Drink through a large straw (like the old checkers super straws (hose?). LOL

20-05-2005, 02:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
SportDr Getting HUGE! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: E-Sussex UK Posts: 2,863	Maybe found a source of Raw Cow (Bovine) Colostrum. YOu have to get it raw as when they process it to put it in capsules, it kills off a lot of the benefits but Raw it rocks!.....supposedly. If I get some and try it, I will let you know, it's packed with immunity boosters and growth hormone, not sure how much to take?? Maybe Hackskii didnt take enough each day? perhaps there is a therapeutic dose, does anyone know what it is in pints/litres? I think I would try it for a week monitor changes if any then perhaps up the dose each week, recording any changes as I go. SD __________________ I don't like Sports and I am not a Doctor! All information given is to be followed at the users risk and is for informational purposes only. My protein code: ?? Dunno was deleted? BSD Code: ?? Dunno was deleted too??

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20-05-2005, 05:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	baically think of whey's benefits on steroids LOL yeah Im serious

20-05-2005, 05:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
Pete Gym Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NW Posts: 339	Woah, whey on steroids.......cool!!

20-05-2005, 05:35 PM	#20 (permalink)
Pete Gym Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NW Posts: 339	So would you have this in place of whey Chef, at all times, or still have whey post workout? How much is it SD?

20-05-2005, 05:43 PM	#21 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	I was not impressed:( For the money, I was not impressed at all. In fact I think the guy kindof screwed me. Got 3 bottles of about 16oz. each. I kept them frozen and took about 4-6oz a day (too small) and then I found out that the first two tasted really good. When I got to the last bottle it was yellow (kindof) and didnt taste all that good (not compared like the first two), so in retrospect, I think the first two bottles were nothing more than goats milk. 48 oz = $70.00.............OUCH!:( Now, if I could get the last bottle and get just that stuff then I would take it again but I would do this on a calorie restricted diet with T3 and clen, yohimbe, and cayenne. That stuff makes me very hot. Technically I feel you could almost live on that stuff and the weight would probably go pretty fast drinking some every like 2 hours. Just speculation of course but this is how I would do it. I am losing fast right now (probably too fast) so I dont want to mess with what I am doing right now. It is hard to tell what is going on as I am taking so many things I cant put my finger on the fast weight loss. 18 lbs in 6 weeks = 3 lbs a week average. The last thing I want to do is go catabolic. But for the most part, I attribute the colostrum as being not all colostrum and I did not take enough to really notice the diffrence, and for the price it is just not worth it. I was quite disappointed. Another application might be to take it when one is sick. The extra immunities might just help things along.

20-05-2005, 06:09 PM	#24 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Think of how much whey I could have bought for that $70.00 I wasited by shopping at lets say Mothers. I could have bought 15-18 lbs of whey for that price. Oh well, next time someone askes me about what do I think about colostrum I can answer them with athority

20-05-2005, 06:51 PM	#25 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	Hackskii, don't worry I would have paid a few hundred to have suckled from a real woman lactating at one time. LOL I know of an olympic gold medal winner from the 70's who actually did this. He found 3 women giving birth between 1 to 3 months before the games. He paid each to allow him to direct suckle each day up till the games. Now, he calims he did no drugs just that, but his reulsts in the pantethalon were unbeleivable especially for a white guy. Makes you wonder eh? The original MetrX formula was based on human breast milk (hence the title human metabolism prescription) It was created for burn victum recovery where their is massive tissue wasting. the idea was through nutrient partitioning to preven tissue breakdown. Then they moved the idea to athletics with good success. later the took out the two items that worked in it and made it a cheap knock off. those two items were micelluar whey protein aka milk protein isolates and as well colostrum isolates. The closest you can get to mimicking this now for a good cost is whey protein and honey, later take fish oils caps to get your omega 3's. Anyway IMO cheers

20-05-2005, 07:17 PM	#26 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,402 Blog Entries: 1	Makes sense. After all it is what mother nature put on this earth for us to start life on. How much more natural can you get? I would pay 3 girls to suck on there tits and have no milk come out, that's just me though.

20-05-2005, 07:32 PM	#27 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Yah burn victoms also take Ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate (OKG) to prevent a form of catabolism of the skin. I have thought of taking this as well during dieting to avoid catabolism. Bought many bottles of this and am dieting now but forget to take it. Short copy and paste of OKG: By Joachim Bartoll / Thorax. Ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate (OKG) is a salt formed of two molecules of ornithine and one molecule of alpha-ketoglutarate. Studies in the medical field have shown that ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate preserve muscle protein synthesis and spares nitrogen after elective surgery. OKG treatment decreases muscle protein catabolism and/or increases synthesis, according to the metabolic situation. The anti-catabolic effect might not be from OKG alone. OKG increases the plasma concentrations of, for example, arginine, leucine, isoleucine, tyrosine, glutamine, proline, and ornithine. There are several studies that show these amino acids to have anabolic properties; hence, the anti-catabolic effect. As far as I know there haven't been any studies on athletes and OKG. We have to relate to the medical studies. Some studies has shown OKG to increase growth hormone levels, but it is not known if this will help the athlete. The most interesting aspect of OKG is that it helps to increase the levels of glutamine in the muscle cells. As I mentioned in my article about glutamine, high glutamine levels have a very anti-catabolic effect, especially in people under severe stress such as hard training or fasten. Some studies have shown OKG to have positive effects on the immune system, this due to the increased amount of arginine in the blood stream. However, more data are necessary in order to find out in vivo the effect of ornithine on the immune system, which is influenced by many hormonal factors. As with all supplements, the dosage varies depending on your weight (muscle mass), activity level and food intake. I recommend 10-20 grams a day. Take one half about an hour before training and the second half before bedtime. Take your OKG together with carbohydrates. No side effects have been reported from OKG supplementation when taken in recommended dosages. Higher dosages might cause stomach problems such as diarrhea. OKG seems to be a good supplement for athletes during hard training and/or diet.

20-05-2005, 07:49 PM	#28 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	TBH IMO hackskii the reason whey is so good is because of the glutamine found in it. They (burn centers) used to use okg before they realized peptide bonded chains with high glutamine was a bit better. Still OKG is a good supplement when hard core dieting.

20-05-2005, 08:46 PM	#29 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,337	Oh, gotchya. Thanks. I bought some of this whey protein at a health food store I was buying herbs at (too lazy to go to a good place). That stuff does not mix at all. In a blender you get a bucket of foam. I let it sit and still foam. It is useless for doing anything with, except a paperweight. I need to break down and get some good protein. I dont think I am taking in enough. Did the calculations and I was about 25-50 grams shy for the day.

20-05-2005, 08:54 PM	#30 (permalink)
ChefX Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Secret Laboratory outside of Washington DC Posts: 1,870	IMO You're probally getting complete whey which is really excellent for a sore throat or a cold. Add some sugar free pudding (jello brand) mix (thats sugar free angels delight in the UK) to the whey you bought, the problem is your trying to put a lipid base into a hydro environment... think emulsion. Follow? The pudding mix will allow it to stay in the water/milk, then let it sit a bit and the air will go out. Drink through a large straw (like the old checkers super straws (hose?). LOL