Conrad

Hey all
its benn a very long time since i last payed u all a visit....but on my 1st week back in the gym after a rugby injury ... i broke my hand and badly damaged a tendon in practice on tuesday night. im going to cut my lossses and hit the cv and cut for the summer. im about 13% bf and 12 stone 10 lbs. was thinking about a fat burner...reflexs sida cordifolais... any advice would be appreciated... especially since being fairly lean ive never delved into fat burners... thanks
conrad

Jock

"Fat Burner" is a decieving term, no supplement actually 'burns fat' they can help raise the metabolism but this will only work if you have a good diet.

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trickymicky69

At 13% bodyfat I wouldnt bother with a fat burner I would be more concerned with muscle degeneration due to the injury

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Conrad

i apprciate that...but there is really not much i can to about loosing muscle... i cant lift because i cant afford to risk damaging my hand futher ... ive been told its delicate and more truama will result in permanent loss of motor skills... which i cant afford for love of my sports

on the other hand i have worms in my pants and cant keep still...so im going to start running the roads again... mighy as well loose some bf whilst im at it...right?


any advice would be appreciated...ask urself...what would u do?...

trickymicky69

Any exercise is better than no exercise

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Lost Soul

what would you like to hear as i dont believe there are fat burners as such

in ascending order of your road to follow from the beginning and hopefully most will stop after the first 2

diet
cardio
bitter orange
green tea
carnatine
CLA
ALCAR
eph
clen
T3/4
DNP

others can fit in there too

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GYMBABE

Sida Cordifolia is v similar to eph - is legal and doesnt have as many sides, I think its a good supp.

Macro

EC stack (with pure ephedrine)

Thermorexin

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Macro

have to disagree both sida and ephedra have alkaloids that present more sides than ephedrine hcl.

the extraction process of these two herbs varies a lot. the two primary alkaloids are psuedoephedrine and ephedrine (psuedoephedrine is generally more prevelant)

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Aatikaay

Ive had decent levels of success stacking coleus,green tea,gymnema amd caffeine..Eph would be a great addition but makes me very jittery personally

Macro

Glucorell (r-lipoic and biotin would be a better choice than gynnema- though they could also be stacked)

coleus has bioavailability issues, though it can be a decent cAMP elevator (combination xanthines are probably more effective)

with green tea the most important thing is EGCG content (otherwise its second main benefit is from caffeine content)

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Lost Soul

macro, have you seen the oolong Vs green tea study i posted somewhere here on the board?

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Macro

polymerized polyphenols vs. catechins or polyphenols, males or females?

the only study that seems to indicate metabolic superiority is a japanese study in women, which appeared in a paid publication.

not to say that this area does not need more study, research and comparison. however, EGCG is by far more established by non biased research.

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yohimbine is pretty good with eph but i much prefer clen

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Macro

yohimbine (oral or topical) will make ephedrine more like clen with respect to lipolytic effect. As clenbuterol, a pure beta 2, does not have the alpha 2 negative interaction that ephedrine does (yohimbine ameliorating this).

oral yohimbine with ephedrine can easily be overstimulating, though some people will love it.

for fat loss purposes EC + topical Y (yohimburn) is significantly superior.

For stimulant/jacked purposes EC + oral Y is stronger, note- this combination can cause dangerous rise in BP as adversely affect heart rhythm .

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