Tinytom

also remember that PWO in the last 3 weeks of a show bbers only eat turkey and rice PWO but they arent looking to add mass in that time.

However its not detrimental

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Wee G

...just thought I'd something to the whole cost:benefit ratio debate by pointing out than on a gram / pound comparison basis, whey is way cheaper than whole food sources of protein.

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exactly

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* L-Phenylalanine (DLPA) is an essential amino acid (EAA) and also serves as a building block for the various proteins that are produced in the body.

DLPA can be converted by a bio-chemical process in the liver to L-tyrosine and subsequently to noradrenaline, L-dopa, and adrenaline. DLPA can also be converted, through a separate pathway, to phenylethylamine, a substance that occurs naturally in the brain and appears to improve mood.

DLPA is a recent and very nice addition, noticeably chills you after an intense session.

As it also converts to tyrosine you get nervous system recovery as well as pain nullifying effects.

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6 raw eggs 2 whole 100g of oats mixed with water and nesquick donecheap ass drink does the trick.

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Bronson,

Real food is great! But have you noticed how expensive that can be too? Shakes REPLACE the meal, basically, only they pack MORE in a shake than you'd get from food. If you catch my drift? But I can understand if one can't afford the powders. I've been there myself. But I find the best approach is to ask yourself ... "what can I do to afford them?" That usually motivates ME into finding a way out of a "financial" bind... if you will.

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MXD - the comment about protein synthesis is correct if you just havent finished an intense workout. I would challenge you to find ANY competitive bber natural or assisted that would agree that 30g is sufficent after a workout. Also wont the dextrose produce glycogen as well blunting protein synthesis? Are you sure you're not getting mixed up with gluconeogenesis?

Not bothered about studies at all, anecdotal evidence from people in the field and my own experience tells me that 30g just doesnt cut it after a workout.

Didnt know about the dlpa cheers.

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i have 30g of whey and 50g of dextrose pwo then a real meal 1 hour later. This has always stood me well and i always feel a bit sick after a good workout so id rather have a shake as its lighter and easier for me to digest. Everyone has different ways of doing things and i think lot of people over complicate the pwo shake when in reality it only needs to be a quick hit of carbs and protein

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Does it really matter...? It's all a bit esoteric really.

Train hard. Do a bit of cardio. Eat. Sleep.

If you have the protein pwder around then use it Post Workout. If not get some real food down you.

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I like this post, kinda sums it all up really.

As long as I'm getting those G's in, then whatever. I will buy shakes eventually. I'm trying to cut down now whilst keeping as much strength as possible.

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I use to have all the sups under the sun, i basically use to spend bout 150-200 a month on supps which dont seem a lot but when i am getting them cheap as i re-sell them and i get them wholesale price from various places this is a lot believe me!

But unfortunately now i am out of work for a bit so i dont use them as much and tbh i dont think it makes much difference!

As for a cheap PWO shake all's you need is Protein powder with water and Natural honey accompanied with a bit of natural sea salt and also 5g creatine that should do the trick!

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No worries about the dlpa

Have you ever used HWP with a DH of 30%? I all most guarantee that 30g would be enough protein for you to use, 1 million times better than whey, the stuff is amazing.

With regards to glucogen synthesis; its produced by the liver from excessive protein intake at any one time, It inhibits protein synthesis, *blunts insulin and therefore reduces glycogen uptake. Which isn't what you want. You'd probably be ok with higher amounts of whey conc / iso as they take about 90 mins to reach peak amino acid blood concentration.

As HWP causes a massive insulin response coupled with dextrose/malo and leucine (studies show*) induce a massive insulin response (the most possible, unless your injecting exogeniously ;) ) that will blunt any catabolic action going on post workout while the very fast protein synthesis will get you in a possitive nitrogen balance again.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ractPlusDrugs1
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ractPlusDrugs1

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Have a shake and then a meal get the best of both worlds lol.

MXD I am curious your VERY opinionated on a lot of things where do you get your info are you studying nutrition in collage?
I like your posts i am just very curious as to why a teen would be so opionated.

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Nahh I don't study nutrition but Its my passionate hobby , I'm in full time work atm but I am currently looking into nutritional/phisio qualifications.

As for my info pubmed and other sites are excellent resources.

I guess I'm so opinionated as science proves or at least indicates strongly (I'm a man of science) / shows us how our bodys respond to specific sports supplementation, I try to take advantage of the innate responses the we can produce.

I'm not a time waster and want my hard efforts to be as productive as possible :lift:

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I do both, post training i have my glucose drink (150g-200g) depends on how I feel, then my gloope shake (about 80g of protein + everything else).

Then I get back from gym and have a big dinner.

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