Jc456

Hi guys,

I have been reading on the news that some supplement manufactures (especially for creatine) lie on labels and add a small amount of some (nandrolone, test whatever) steroid in the supplement. A very small amount that aparently can make you fail drug tests...

What is your opinion on this? I have no idea i would just to have a "real world" view as the media does tend to lie a lot.

stow

Total BS. Real examples?

ah24

Why would they do that? It would just cost them more money.

TH&S

This actually was the case prior to 2002 before PH's were banned - but I think was more cross contamination.

Zeff Isenburg (Mr Maximuscle) was up before a parliamentary commity from memory...

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TH&S

Where it wasn't cross contamination it would actually justify the large cost of over hyped supps... Like certain brands of Creatine+Dextrose+Flavouring which cost £40 a tub...

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wogihao

There probably is some truth to this, rember during the 90s they were developing new pro hormmones every few weeks, most were **** or derigitive however as a marketable product there shelf life is quite limited. so what do you do with the stuff that dosent sell?

Robsta

It would cost far too much surely....

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wogihao

yea but if you had loads of suplements that you couldnt sell, and you didnt want to write off as a loss....

Im not saying this happens now, but deffo i can beleve this used to go on.

TH&S

You'd be shocked...

You could get 12g of 1-Test/1-AD/4-AD Powder for £12 at one point. And thats not in bulk...

Most PH are run at just shy of 1g per month - 30mg ED * 30days = 900mg per month.

So that works out as 90p per month. Add on lets say £3 for 100g of C-Mono, and £2 for Dextrose and Flavouring and £4 for packaging/advertising etc etc etc

So thats a cost of £8, being flogged wholesale for £16 with an RRP for £40...

You supplement will now be raved about...

etc etc etc

A bit like how some UG labs alledgedly overdose some batches to get themselves raved about...

Obviously thats all supposition and guess work... :lift::beer1:

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Jc456

keep the comments coming guys...
I jus want opinions...i am just saying what i heard in the media..nothing was named etc...
it could make sense i suppose cause if that was the case it would improve the supplements performance so people would buy it more?

Boditronics Ltd

I am sure this USED to go on but I would be very very surprised if it went on now , Any USA company would end up with their CEO in Jail if they were caught as AAS are now a federal Class A drug in US , in UK laws are not as strong but after the Maximuscle case a few years ago it would be a brave and corrupt company that did it . the UK supplement industry is very ethical these days

FYI most of Her Majersties " honourable " Press think that Creatine is a Steroid so if you read the report again it is probably saying that alot of supplement manufacturers are puting a steroid ( Creatine ) into their producs OOOOOOO chase me . chase me


I read a piece in the daily fat git the other month that Seb Coe was on the board of a company making Steroids , it turned out it was a legit supp company who has Creatine Mono in their range . But thats a Steroid Right ? :gun:




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Jc456

haha good point "Bodytronics"....

I think that has shed light on the situation

Fivos

Yea ive also heard of this..companies putting stuff in the first run of new supps to get everyone going on about how good they are then the next batches were normal...but as you got such good gains on the first batch people would keep buying them,

Fivos

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Absolute nonsense!

1. You need a pharmaceutical licence to be able to buy the raw materials to make anabolic steroids.

2. You need a seperate licence to legally import them

3. Any legit company would not want to show that they'd sourced steroids in there accounts so would have a big hole financially where they'd paid for the anabolic agents and this would/could lead to them being investigated by the taxman, who in turn could bring in Customs and Excise, etc (Customs are worse than the police with greater powers to shut you down)

4. When the knowledge you were adding gear to your supps hit the public domain your company would be screwed.

5. Any company doing this would be wide open for massive lawsuits which would finish the company and see the directors jailed.

6. Why add the extra expense to products which have little enough profit unless high volumes are attained?

Possibly years ago stuff like this may have happened and it is still possible for cross contamination to occur in supplements in capsule and tablet form if the machines aren't cleaned down after manufacturing a pharmaceutical product but I cannot see thse things happening in powders manufactured in the UK, USA, Germany etc. Stuff from the Eastern Bloc, mmmmmm, greater possibility due to them NOT having the same laws as us.

Another point is that most supp companies don't make their supps themselves but have an outside contracter who specialises in powdered food product their stuff, the point being that the outside contracter is even less likely to want to do anything illegal because it could finish their business completely not just the manufacture of sports nutrition.

Our manufacturers have been making powdered foods for 40 years and sub contact to the military in Australia and Singapore so a company like that have way too much to risk. I also know that one powdered food manufacture produces for 3 British supp companies, 2 of which are very big companies in the UK market so if this manufacturer was to do this they would be risking a lot in a business sense and a legal sense too.

Possibly years ago there may have been naughty stuff going on but not now, if in doubt stick to legit established companies with too much to lose and you'll be fine.

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bow chika wow

News from friends at supplement companies suggest mr maximuscle is being done once again for its cyclone product. And aslo no explode is being investigated too.