Sam_UK

Reason for this thread: I have not been feeling right these past couple of months so I launched an investigation into possible causes - one of the first things I looked at was the ingrediants of my REFLEX INSTANT WHEY tub.

It appears that reflex uses Aspartame to flavour their products, if you're not aware of the affects of aspartame then you should follow the links below;

http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html
http://aspartamekills.com/
http://www.sweetpoison.com/

Put simply it's not good stuff, if you want more information then just type 'aspartame' into google and see what you find...

I'm definitely staying off Reflex from now on, and perhaps any powdered protein altogether until I can find some more info on what's safe.

This might be of little or no concern to some of you, however I just wanted to increase awareness and let you make up your own minds.

Sam

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BSF James

Aspartame and whether it has any ill effects is under a lot of debate at the moment. All the studies done on it are coming out clean, but there are an awful lot of people out there who say otherwise. On the one hand the FDA are satisfied that its safe - and they are always eager to ban anything they can! - so that should be re-assuring. On the other hand there are all these campaigns to ban it. Its difficult to know whether it really poses a danger or if it is just scaremongering.

If you wish to stay away from aspartame, then choose protein powders that use sucralose as the sweetner. Most are doing so now actually. In fact I think Reflex will probably change instant whey to sucralose soon as I think they've already done so with instant mass. USN, PVL, Dymatize and quite a few other brands are already aspartame free.

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Sucralose - in my opinion - also gives much better flavour and texture than aspartame.

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Z3R0-CooL

also MRM is aspartame and acesulfame (Sp?) free. Your best bet is to get some unflavored, unsweetened and put whatever u want in it. i drink it as it is.. no sweetner or flavor but with glucose PWO.. all my other meals are solid food.... i once had unflavoured like that and it wasnt bad at all.. put some ice in the blender and enjoy..

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AussieMarc

i also have been getting an ill sort of feeling since i started actually training... i just looked on the back of my protein tub and it uses suraclose as the sweetner so it isnt the aspartame with me..

BSF James

Aussie Marc - that could be anything really. Have you been training for very long? This could be a sign of possible overtraining/under-recuperating.

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Langers

Check out Reflex Natural Whey.

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I've just been reading the aspartame kills site. Those guys are complete fruitloops. They are blaming everything from micheal j fox's parkinsons disease to OJ Simpson killing his wife on aspartame!

http://aspartamekills.com/oj.htm

Nutters...

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This is the only thing you need to read about the possible bad effects of aspartame, it pretty much covers it all nicely:

http://www.dorway.com/badnews.html#symptoms

I like the way it lists 'death' as a symptom of aspartame poisoning. Are you dead? Then you may have aspartame poisoning...

I'm not entirely convinced either way on this one. I dont doubt that the fda could be 'bought' to approve a dangerous compound (the pharmaceutical companies are full of corruption, as is politics obviously). The whole bloody world is corrupt - why do you think smoking remains legal (my favourite conspiracy theory) whilst other less harmful things are illegal - it all comes down to cash and 'who owns who'.

On the other hand, the list of symptoms they give of aspartame poisoning are so wide that everyone is bound to have at least 3 or 4 of them at any time regardless of if they have aspartame or not.

If irritability and weight gain are symptoms then I guess I'd better get down the docs..

I've yet to see anything that I'd consider conclusive evidence of aspartame poisoning.

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In that case, I would also suggest you avoid a wide range of meats and dairy products which naturally contain Aspartame (and the 2 amino acids that make up Aspartame).

For the record, I currently use 3 to 4 different brands of protein all of which contain Aspartame. I'm not saying you should, just stating this is my choice.
I also drink diet coke etc which also contain aspartame.

Personally, I consider passive smoking to be more of a risk to my health...

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Killerkeane

i think i have allergic reaction to something in these powders, i get a very itchy mouth and throat taking some products. Might have to look into this a little farther.

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winger

It might be the chocolate. I tap into the wifes chocolate and it does it to me.
I prefer splenda because it is made from sugar. Tastes great too. I dont like the way aspertain tastes, it is so sweet it is bitter to me.

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AussieMarc

yeh i think i was overtraining a few weeks back. i fixed up my routine to give me more time to recover etc.

Sam_UK

I realise the sports supplement re-sellers on this thread might feel i'm scare mongering; that's not the case, all I wanted to do was make others aware and let them make up their own minds.

I'm changing to natural whey I think.

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Dont feel that way at all mate. Sorry if it appeared like I was putting your concerns down - I just wanted to make it clear that we dont know 100% for sure either way if aspartame is safe or not.

I myself am slightly cautious of aspartame just in case. Its hard to avoid it though as it is in many, many products besides supplements. Some which you probably use a lot. I reckon I get far more of it from diet coke and stuff like that than supplements. The supps I use dont generally contain aspartame (USN, Dymatize, etc..). At least in supplements you can pick the ones that dont have aspartame if you so wish. With many other foodstuffs you dont have a choice.

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