XPS

http://www.molecularnutrition.net/products_xfactor.html

anyone heard or used this?

any feedback or alternatives? Looking at at adding on some lean muscle (i know what everyone wants )

Pscarb

i think Tom has looked into this stuff

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fits

Is this a Pro hormone?

NeilpWest

I have emailed stockists and people that have used xfactor before as i didnt believe what they claim. From what i was told its pretty good if you use it for the 50days or whatever it is they told me they gained about 10lbs or more but its not exactly cheap so i didnt bother trying it.

fits

any feedbackl about shut down? sides?

NeilpWest

Yep. No shut down and no sides occured. A few guys i know use it with pct to help keep and add gains while there test is low apparently they have had good results using it this way.

fits

just read up on it. Its been about since 2005. If it was that amazing i guess we would have heard more about it? so are you going to give it a go?

NeilpWest

Yeah it has been around for a while now. Ill prob give it ago in the future as well as trying m1t no doubt but atm i cant afford £50 ago or whatever the xfactor is per pot.

XPS

im not sure, i was also looking at Anabolic Xtreme Hyperdrol X2 and stacking it with Anabolic Xtreme Mass FX.

thoughts? or alternatives? M1T i dont want bitch tits !

Truewarrior1

yeah the problem with it is you're going to feel tired all the time,yes you'll have better pumps,but u'll also have a lot bigger and longer doms.you're also not allowed to take fish oils with it. i read a lot about it over my time on bodybuilding.com

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hackskii

Time out guys, this stuff is not any good for you and yes there are sides.
Main component in X-Factor is arachidonic acid (AA).
AA is a inflammatory prostaglandin, it will increase inflammation in the body.
Fish oils decrease inflammation in the body.
Sure you need some infammmatory responce for muscle growth, fend off colds and the like, but adding it into ones diet when one's diet is already too high in AA is psycho.
Higher AA gets yoiu lower HDL to LDL ratio and less test.
Also leads to over clotting, this is not good.

Also ruins the insulin to GH ratio.
What we want here is less AA not more.
A test called the Silent Inflammation Profile (SIP) is new and checks the ratio of Omega 3 to AA.
Fish oils lower AA, which is what we want, also brings us more insulin sensitivity, again this is what we want.
In the presence of AA and excess insulin this is truely a health threatening thing.

I had a debate about this crap on a board where it was sponcered by William (dude that made it), I ripped into them defending their positions on this so bad, not william himself defended his product.
I should find that post.

From Chefx:
Arachidonic acid - This particular polyunsaturaed fat may be the most dangerous fat know when consumed in excess and is known as an Omega 6 fat. In fact, you can inject virtually every type of fat (even saturated fat and cholesterol) into rabbits and nothing happens. However, if you inject (AA) arachidonic acid into the same rabbits they are dead within three minutes. The human body needs "some" arachidonic acid, but too much can be toxic.

Getting alot of AA in the body will upset the ballance of Omega 3 to Omega 6 fatty acids in the body.
Which by the way is already out of ballance from the 1/1 to 1/4 ratio of 3 to 6.
If the typical American diet is 1/10 to 1/25 3 to 6 why in the hell would anyone further the ratio to compromise good health?

All that and it is expensive.
I can think of funner things to take that I can spend my money on for poor health that X-Factor

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NeilpWest

Hi hacks

Just so you know i didnt say there are no sides from what i know only what i was told by the people that used it.

thestudbeast

O.k first up what sources of AA are there:

Liver
Egg yolks
Red meat

Refined oils - so any fatty junk food is loaded with it.
factory farmed fish

If you diet is low in the top 3 it will be benifited by adding some, if your diet has any of the bottem two in drop them out and replace with the top 3.

The typical American diet is not the typical diet followed on this board, still when you realize how much AA is in one egg yolk you will see how X-Factor is a rip off. Currently molecular do not recomend dropping fish oils but limiting them to 3g a day (which is sensible anyway in supplement form).

I'd say eat eggs yolks, liver and oily fish to help balance it out and not bother with the supplement............ well thats what I did.

hackskii

No diet is low in arachidonic acid, there is an abundance.
Most cultures have too many Omega 6's and not enough 3's.
Americans are not the exception here for excess arachidonic acid, the UK is very close to the Americans on AA.
I have gone to some pretty great lengths on this subject and only the japaneese are ok in the ratio of 3 to 6, eskimos too.

What cracks me up is this.
Corn oil is very high in arachidonic acid, why not just chug some of that?

For the record 3g of fish oils would be the absolute minimum, I take 12 a day and for good reason, this improves the ratio of 3 to 6 in my diet.

Inflammation hinders recovery not promotes it.

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thestudbeast

What makes me think there's a difference between the AA found in refined oils and that found in liver?

The typical bodybuiling diet of ultra low fat, high protein, high carb will be low in AA and many other fatty acids. Still most on this diet then supplement with fish oils and then think there O.K.

Most non training individuals have to much AA, while as above some that train have too little. Deneying that AA is part of the muscle builing process is plain wrong but after questioning many that have used it, it is my humble opinion that the £50 would be better spent on diet improvements.