hackskii

I love it, he says “while a nutritionist may discourage the use of supplemental AA due to its lose association with low-grade cardiovascular inflammation.”
Oh, I guess there acceptable levels of cardiovascular inflammation?
Give me a break, fish oils offer the lower levels of cardiovascular inflammation which helps longevity.
This dude is pushing poison.
No proof that it actually does anything besides cause inflammation. Gotta hand it to him, very cleverly packaged marketing hype.

Spend some money to potentially compromise health, and if a couple of tabs work good, how about a handful?
Typical thinking actually.

I read a while ago that they suggested taking a tab of fish oils with it a day. That really sounds like they are covering their ass on that one.

Dude even says this: “come to appreciate post exercise soreness; it’s a great indicator of muscle growth.”……..Huh? How much? How often?
What a friggen joke.

I will leave you with this Editor’s note: Does arachidonic acid (AA) increase muscle mass?
At this point, we do not know, as there have been no long term studies conducted in reference to this.
Studies to date show AA may increase peak power without significantly affecting body composition, performance are markers for muscle hypertrophy.

Funny thing, they admit that there is no evidence, but there is plenty of evidence that AA increases inflammation and guys seriously this is one thing us weight lifters need to avoid.
Sure anti-inflammatory products do hinder muscle growth, but suggesting that you have more inflammation is better for muscle growth is very reaching.

Many if not most people have problems with excess inflammation and insulin.
Also there is only evidence that endurance athletes have low levels of AA and they didn’t even suggest how long this is for.
Nothing on resistance training, but they infer otherwise, which is a form of deception.

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I read an article about a month ago that featured a study that seemed to show that reducing inflammation by using such things as Fish Oils and Ibuprofen actually hindered muscle growth.

Obviously in any of these theoretical debates there is a tolerance line.

I think if you took this product for an extended time you would see bad effects but then it does say on the tub to take a break.

Same with gear, you wouldnt stay on indefinately (well most anyway)

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hackskii

Yah, I am totally aware that anti-inflammatory drugs hinder muscle growth, and to some extent fish oils can do this.
After all they are the strongest anti-inflammatory food staple of anything.
But remember you need some anti-inflammatory stuff in your diet anyway for heart health, the DHA in fish oils help brain function, fat loss, the EPA lowers triglycerides, promotes good heart health, and a host of many things.
Looking at it primarily from a muscle loss perspective only is seriously short cutting the long term of things.

Again, you want more AA in your diet, have some corn oil, that stuff is totally loaded with AA and probaly pennies compared to X-factor, would not doubt it if it was stronger too.
But you cant patent corn oil now can you?
Cant make any money selling that to the public.

Oh, you dont have to cycle fish oils either, they are good to go for life.

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fits

well I cant use this stuff any way as i suffer with gout!!! but for results i dount its worth risking, or paying for.

w_llewellyn

While I appreciate the depth of conversation here, I must respectfully disagree with the accusation that I am “Pushing Poison”. Indeed, arachidonic acid offers no value to a sedentary population, which commonly suffers from metabolic syndrome or low-grade systemic inflammation. In fact, it can be used here by the body to increase the inflammatory response. This is something an inactive sedentary person has no need or desire for.

On the other hand, one cannot forget that AA is vital to the muscle building process. Furthermore, regular exercise depletes AA stores in muscle tissue. So the statement that people eat plenty is not entirely true. Regular sedentary people in Western nations usually eat enough AA, but bodybuilders are often deficient due to heavy training. This means that with less available AA, training adaptations are harder to produce, and results slow or stagnate.

I think you need to look at the Baylor study and the effect AA + training had on IL-6, a central regulator of inflammation, before jumping to any conclusions. Resting levels of IL-6 were actually decreased in the supplemented group, not increased. We believe this is caused by AA improving insulin sensitivity in skeletal muscle (by improving the localized training response), which in turn helps better control insulin. This in turn is linked to lower, not higher, systemic inflammation.

Furthermore, one cannot exclude the large volume of safety data on the use of AA. Over and over again, the supplementation of 1.5grams per day or less has been shown to have absolutely no effect on any relevant marker of health. In doses up to 2grams per day (give or take based on weight) the U.S. FDA has even granted Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS) status on AA. No other serious muscle-building supplement, not even creatine, has ever been granted such safety approval.

w_llewellyn

Also, I take exception to the accusation that I am a profiteer, selling only marketing hype for the sake of raking in profits. X-Factor is the result of YEARS worth of hard work, experimentation, and dedication to a very new technology our industry has not known before. It took a long time to get where we are with AA; a long uphill road that we fought because we believed in what we were doing - progressing the science of bodybuilding.. Not to make money.. There are plenty of cheap crap supplements we could have sold if that were the case..

You are also incorrect, in that if you truly found a novel and effective new use for corn oil, you could patent that use. I, however, was not after selling empty promises and marketing hype on something like corn oil, as you so politely have accused me of. I think my time in this industry, my work, and my reputation should speak for itself.. but I guess not around here.

w_llewellyn

Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS)

Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) is a United States of America Food and Drug Administration (FDA) designation that a chemical or substance added to food is considered safe by experts, and so is exempted from the usual Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FFDCA) food additive tolerance requirements.

GRAS exemptions are granted for substances that are generally recognized, among experts qualified by scientific training and experience to evaluate their safety, as having been adequately shown through scientific procedures (or, in the case of a substance used in food prior to January 1, 1958, through either scientific procedures or through experience based on common use in food) to be safe under the conditions of their intended use.

The substance must be shown to be "generally recognized" as safe under the conditions of its intended use. The proponent of the exemption has the burden of proving that the use of the substance is "generally recognized" as safe. To establish such recognition, the proponent must show that there is a consensus of expert opinion regarding the safety of the use of the substance. However, the existence of a severe conflict among experts regarding the safety of a substance precludes a finding of general recognition.

TH&S

Ah! Bill! Author of Anabolics 2007?

Sneaky adding X-Factor in the book... Good marketing move though.

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w_llewellyn

I do run a business, LOL.. And it DOES work, so I feel it is appropriate.

I am not a total lunatic. I do know that if it didn't actually work, pushing a useless supplement, especially to a community that uses real gear, would be professional suicide.

w_llewellyn

In fact, I'll go one further..

I state my entire professional reputation on the fact that X-Factor works, for the vast majority of people that use it. If this is NOT true, than I DESERVE to be tarred, feathered, and thrown out of this industry on my little keister.

TH&S

I've got to admit I don't know vast amounts about it as a supplement.

Now, ignoring your initial reaction to Hackskii's 'Pushing Poison' post - have you got the time to go into some detail on it as a supplement?

I have a friend who is currently running it, and I'd be interested to hear from you about it on a non-defensive level if you have the time?

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Delhi

AA aside, welcome to the board.

I enjoyed your books.

Stick around I am sure you could give and recieve valuable information.

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w_llewellyn

I should have the time.. Shoot..

TH&S

Would you go so far as to offer free courses of the supplement for willing volunteers...? It retails for about $100 (£50) in the Uk so its not something I've considered using as the uk price doesn't justify it.

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w_llewellyn

Funny you ask, because that has been our principle marketing strategy up to this point. The product really has been taking off due to word of mouth, not advertising.

I will need to check with the office/reps.. Maybe we can do something on this site along these lines. Being that most users are UK based we'd need to look into the logistics, however, so I can't make any promises..