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phosphate bond · 09-01-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by thestudbeast

Is it Moleculars position that AA is inflamitory in the muscle during exersize and then works as an anti inflamitory there after?

Anytime you reduce insulin levels (long term) you are improving "silent inflammation". However, that doesn't mean that there can't be short term inflammatory effects.

thestudbeast · 09-01-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by phosphate bond

Anytime you reduce insulin levels (long term) you are improving "silent inflammation". However, that doesn't mean that there can't be short term inflammatory effects.

I wasn't doubting the fact, it's just a different understanding than when the product was first released

**hackskii** · 09-01-2008, 02:16 AM

Diet is the number one factor of silent inflammation, insulin resistance, and overall good or bad health, exercise number two and supplementation number three, although lifestyle does play a heafty part (alcohol, drugs, sleep, stress, hell even age).

winger · 09-01-2008, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by phosphate bond

Fish oils definitely lower insulin secretion (evidenced by reduced C-petide levels) but not blood sugar in type II diabetics. So I am not sure how they are helping with glucose disposal. You can improve insulin sensitivity two ways. One ways is to lower insulin secretion. The Other way is to improve insulin action. Ideally you want both effects. This is why some books I have seen have recommended caution for people people with diabetes to take Fish oil (in high amounts). You can find the actual studies on Pubmed. Some are conflicting as usual but the info is there.

Now some of these diets like Atkins have a lot of saturated fat in them, but not lots of glucose at the same time. Its when you combine carbs with saturated fat that insulin resistance can be a problem when energy expenditure is lower than intake.

This guys is a beast. phosphate bond, I will read every one of your posts from hell to high water!
Oh, just because most are not posting doesn't mean we aren't reading your quality posts.

Ok, getting off leg now.

Tall · 15-01-2008, 12:21 PM

Bump for Bill...

Truewarrior1 · 15-01-2008, 03:07 PM

let's face it,bill's not posting again,he got emotional and felt personally attacked.so he sent someone who could actually argue the science side of things and not take it personal.i for one prefer this thread now that it's just the science side of it.

**hackskii** · 15-01-2008, 06:17 PM

I think Bill's intentions were good, I think he thinks his intentions were good.
Just in the big picture of things, excess inflammation is something that is not needed nor welcomed for good health.
I have read allot on this subject and this product has a small group that can safely cycle it and not worry about health consequences.
Not to mention it is expensive and is readily available in the Typical American and British diets, even in excess.

What kind of got me though is his assertion that gains of 1 to 2 pounds a week were the norm, he posted no study to confirm this. I have read a lot on other sites and many of the guys got nothing from the product.
That and the fact that Bill not only designed the product, but has a stake in endorsing, and defending it.
It is no wonder he got defensive and took it personal.
There is no way you can have one study using a small group of guys and come to any type of conclusion, of its safety or its effectiveness. Long term health consequences take time to manifest.

If I want to gain some size and strength I will just do a cycle of gear, hell it is about the same price anyway and I know what the sides and gains are….lol

09-01-2008, 02:16 AM	#198 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,093	Re: Molecular Nutrition XFactor Diet is the number one factor of silent inflammation, insulin resistance, and overall good or bad health, exercise number two and supplementation number three, although lifestyle does play a heafty part (alcohol, drugs, sleep, stress, hell even age). __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

15-01-2008, 12:21 PM	#200 (permalink)
Tall Natural0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 8,141	Re: Molecular Nutrition XFactor Bump for Bill...

15-01-2008, 03:07 PM	#201 (permalink)
Truewarrior1 Hulking Out! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: london Posts: 1,990 Blog Entries: 6	Re: Molecular Nutrition XFactor let's face it,bill's not posting again,he got emotional and felt personally attacked.so he sent someone who could actually argue the science side of things and not take it personal.i for one prefer this thread now that it's just the science side of it.

15-01-2008, 06:17 PM	#202 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,093	Re: Molecular Nutrition XFactor I think Bill's intentions were good, I think he thinks his intentions were good. Just in the big picture of things, excess inflammation is something that is not needed nor welcomed for good health. I have read allot on this subject and this product has a small group that can safely cycle it and not worry about health consequences. Not to mention it is expensive and is readily available in the Typical American and British diets, even in excess. What kind of got me though is his assertion that gains of 1 to 2 pounds a week were the norm, he posted no study to confirm this. I have read a lot on other sites and many of the guys got nothing from the product. That and the fact that Bill not only designed the product, but has a stake in endorsing, and defending it. It is no wonder he got defensive and took it personal. There is no way you can have one study using a small group of guys and come to any type of conclusion, of its safety or its effectiveness. Long term health consequences take time to manifest. If I want to gain some size and strength I will just do a cycle of gear, hell it is about the same price anyway and I know what the sides and gains are….lol __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

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