budgie

can someone recomend a test boster so many and they all most say they do the same thing but price wise all over the place so confussed.animal mstak been told about. read about usn 17 testo methox. tribulus terestris so many. also they say to take zma for better results,why? what does it do.
i have done some research but not found many answers.
i would like to try a test boster if they say what they do on the tin.
at the mo
training good
eating tidy[not enough protien] i hope santa is nice to me this year££££££££££££££££££££
thanks budgie :crazy::crazy:

genesis

i'll recommend one to you if you stop scaring the living daylights out of me with your avatar i have seriously just read your post with my hand over it!!:behindsof

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hackskii

Ok, one of the problems with testosterone boosters is this.
First, the elivated androgen levels will be seen by the hypothalamus.
Net result would be that the Hypothalamus would lower GnRH output to the pituitary and the end result would be lower testosterone production to accomidate the rise in testosterone from the test booster.

If one is low or below base values than this is another story.
But if you are in range then doing basic compound movements would offer a boost in not only testosterone but GH output too, which after all is based on intensity.

With the exception of excess aromatase activity, test boosters are a waste of money.

Sorry, when some things seem too good to be true they usually are............

Deffiencies in Zinc can lower test production.
Deffiencies in fats can lower test production.
Excess belly fat can lower tesosterone production.

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13stonetarget

Scott, I've been using trib' post cycle after dbol for a couple of weeks. If what you're saying is true, I've potentially not been boosting suppressed test' levels in my body, I've been continuing to suppress them?

Or is this not true because my test' levels are already suppressed to that trying to boost them is actually helpful.. ?

Ollie B

tbh honest i wouldnt bother with all this mate. the products do not justify the price and the results you get from this stuff aint worth it unless you do the real stuff and enter the dark side.

Just stick with whey and creatine mate. if you want to do it natural

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hackskii

Well, if you are supressed from a cycle run a PCT.
When we are talking supression it is really two diffrent colors.
Supression from steroids is, or can be pretty severe, due to the very high androgen levels the body can shut down completely and still end up way over base high levels.
Once off, trib is kind of a waste of money as it does nothing for recovery.
I have read some LH increase and even that I would scoff at.
But due to you being supressed and needing a PCT, trib is no replacement.
Now at the very end of PCT or the day you quit you can give the trib a shot.

What I mean by supression of test boosting products is this.
Once you spiked your levels, the body will adjust GnRH to accomidate what you are doing, this kind of supression is so mild that once you quit the trib, you will end up bouncing back very quickly, in a matter of days or even less.

Certain foods can boost test levels as well as minerals.
When I say boost, I mearly mean that it gives the body its tools to manufacture testosterone within base levels, not elivate above base levels but at base normal levels.

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13stonetarget

Cheers Scott, makes total sense. Ultimately the body is always fighting to maintain homeostasis in every sense and trying to alter that will elicit a response from your body to bring things back inline.

hackskii

Wow, could not have said it better myself.
This is absolutly correct.

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13stonetarget

Cheers Scott, coming from you that means something!

Chris4Pez

I would agree that these products don't actually work as well as they say as i was using inner Armour test booster and also their GH booster as well, it did work a little bit better for me but TBH i think it was more a placebo than anything else as the mind is a powerful thing and if it thinks your having something that can help you for something then it will probably help you in some way!

I would advise if your going to do natural BB just have things like protein shakes, Multi vits, fish oils (if needed) but most importantly make your diet up with the correct macros and you will gain better than if you was on any of these gimmicks!

hackskii

Well, deficiencies in Zinc can lower test levels.
Zinc is a mild aromatase inhibitor.

Belly fat can cause an increase in aromatase enzyme, this basicly will raise estrogen in the body and cause the hypothalamus to lower the amount of GnRH which will lower LH and lower test levels.

Low fat diets and low cholesterol diets can lower testosterone levels too.

So, if one is looking at a reason for low test levels that is one thing.
Trying to boost test levels is another.
And trying to boost libido is again even another thing.

Tbomb2 migth be the best test booster from the ingredients I have seen.
Never tried it and it is super expensive.

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budgie

thanks for the replies,:beer1:

lots to take in there, but on average not very popular i guess.its good to find out before starting to spend your hard earned.me thinks im reading into things to much.
hackskii are you a doctor or something every thread ive read of yours sure is dam good know your stuff.
you mentioned tbomb2 google it nothing came back any more info on that[i like reading lol]
thanks budgie

hackskii

No Doctor mate, Don't even have a college degee
But I can say I am an older chap and many things I have learned were probably before you were born, I am 48 years old.
Nutrition, supplements and especially herbs have been a passion for probably 20 years.
I used to go buy raw herbs and do many experiments.
Nothing like a master herbalist could do tho, self medication can be a long road to nowhere
Heee heeee

Anyway, here is a link: http://www.fitness-connection.com/t-bomb2.html
AGain it is not cheap as you can see.

Again, looking at the ingrediants it has estrogen blockers, DHT blockers, vaso dialators, libido enhancing stuff, erection stuff, etc.
I read the ingrediants and it has stuff like avena sativa and longjack extract ( tongkat ali ), zinc and magnesium (ZMA comes to mind here), Tribulus terrestris, Fenugreek, Chrysin (natural aromatase inhibitor), red clover extract (for the prostate), DIM (diindolymethane) (anti-estrogen), stinging nettle (free up SHBG and also a mild aromatase inhibitor), beta siterol, saw palmetto berry extract (prostate health for the last two), and some other stuff.
Note: this is geared for the older guy, would it raise natural testosterone levels, not sure, but if anything would this would.
I was considering giving it a bash myself to check the results with morning wood which is a good indication that things are good

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