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Old 09-06-2004, 01:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I just wanted to say that after trying quite a few different creatine products that this one is the best yet. With others which i had previously tried i wasnt seeing particurarly good results, so i stopped using the stuff for a few months. After just starting my new routine a few weeks ago i thought that i'de give creatine another shot after hearing about V12 not only from some friends, but also here on this forum. Well all i can say is the results were great, you really do feel the extra streangth when using this, not only the fact that it works really well but it also tastes brilliant and i doubt i'de ever change for another product. Just writing this incase anyone else is after a decent creatine, then this is the one (thanks to the guys who have previously suggested using this).
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Old 09-06-2004, 02:19 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Nice one - my creatine mekes me sick in the morning.
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Ive used v12 quite a few times and have just started again now im pct and found it to be good. Ive a pot of tri-matrix lined up to try next as ive heard that also provides similar results.

I like the small servings and the taste... ummm... tropical....
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Old 09-06-2004, 02:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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That is my creatine of choice too.
Great product.
I have read that when creatine does not mix and leaves the granules in the bottom it is wasted.
Also the micronized was good but the V12 powder is so fine and mixes well.
Also has a anti-catabolic amino acid in it (L-Glutamine) and when taken in the morning is a good thing.
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Old 10-06-2004, 09:05 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Any reviews on UKS for this product would be greatly appreciated

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lol, I used to desperately try and get every last grain of creatine from the bottom of the mix when I first used it....scraping it out with my finger...now I feel like an idiot after what you've just said hackskii.
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I am going to type something up on making your own creatine mix that will work really well for cheap.

Oh, and dont take it with orange juice or grapefruit juice as the acid messes up the creatine.
Probably the best thing to take it with would be Dextrose (grape juice).
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Effervescent creatine formula

“The main problem with powdered creatine monohydrate is water solubility. It takes 100 milliliters of pure water to dissolve 750 milligrams of creatine monohydrate. So 5 grams would require about 670 ml or roughly 24 ounces of room temperature water to dissolve. Warm water does a somewhat better job. Remember, if creatine does not dissolve, it can not be absorbed. Some bright individuals actually just toss creatine powder unto their mouths and chase it with water. This is like not chewing your food. Most of the creatine granules will not go anywhere useful. The second problem is the monohydrate electrical charge. Intestinal mucosa cells, which absorb nutrients, resist to some extent anything containing a net electrical charge other than zero. (which creatine monohydrate does not have) by the way, a molecule with a net electrical charge of zero is called a zwitterion and is readily absorbed by intestinal mucosa.”

“Next is the issue of PH. The PH that allows creatine to have a net electrical charge of zero is 4, which is less acidic than normal stomach PH, but more acidic than water. Pure water is 7. a point of interest is the fact that a PH value of 4 is also the physiological signal to transfer goodies from the stomach to the intestines where most absorption occurs. So now we realize that creatine is best absorbed at a value of 4, and that the creatine must be separated from the monohydrate. This allows 2 choices for athletes:

Purchase a good quality effervescent creatine, or you can be a mad chemist and make it yourself for under half the price.”

What you will need:

1000 grams SKW creatine (Prolab/Kaizen/Muscle Tech)
400 grams Potassium Bicarbonate.
450 grams Citric Acid.
3600 grams (7.9 LBS) Dextrose.
Flavor with sugar free drink mix(no artificial sugar/sweetener or vitamin-C)

“Potassium Bicarbonate and citric acid powders can be bought at any science or chemistry shop quite cheap. Pick up some ph test strips allowing for a 3.0-5.0 PH test range while you are there. Dextrose runs about $1.00 per pound at a health food stores.
Throw all the stuff in a DRY 5 gallon bucket with a secure tight fitting lid and roll it around while you watch T.V. for about 30 minutes.”

“Using a 50 cc (ml) protein powder scooper (ya, we all have several from tons of protein powder) toss one level scoop into 8-10 oz of water. Test PH level. If it is above 4.2 PH add more citric acid. If it is below 4.0 PH, add more Potassium Bicarbonate, to the mixture. Load with 4-6 servings daily on an empty stomach (it takes only 20 minutes for the mixture to clear the stomach) for 4-7 days and maintain elevated CP/ATP levels with 1-3 servings daily thereafter.”

“By the way, it should fizz and completely dissolve in water. How much more effective is effervescent creatine than regular creatine monohydrate? How about 84% better than most (if not all) high dextrose content creatine transport mixtures. Creatine induced muscle cell volumization? 10-25%. Oh ya, it’s about 194.9% more effective than regular creatine monohydrate powder. The PH does not have to be perfect but it should be close to 4.0. if the solution has no grit in the bottom after the addition of water, you have successfully created a Zwitterion. The best times to take creatine is upon waking 20 minutes before a pre-workout meal, right after a workout, at least 90 minutes after any meal.

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