WMS - How do take yours? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

**Great White** · 12-06-2007, 02:37 PM

Hello All.

Ok, firstly I'm not interested which brand you use, be it MyProtein.co.uk @ £5.99 per KG, Bulkpowders.co.uk @ £6.49 per KG or even if you are shoveling down Tesco`s Cornflour @ £2.00 per KG ( Im still not convinced about the WMS/CF debated personally, i`ll be sticking with WMS )

I just want to know how you are all taking yours.

Ive been doing a lot of research on many herbs, nutrients, proteins, etc over the past few months and WMS is one of them.

TinyTom first got me hooked on it about 10 weeks ago, and ive used it ever since, but only Post Workout @ 50g in my shake.

So, my latest PWO shake contains the following:

1.5 x Scoops of Strawberry Whey
1 x Scoops of Strawberry + Banana Mass Shake
1.5 x Scoops of WMS
10g x Glutamine
5g x BCAA
5g x CEE

I can feel the difference by adding the WMS, about 15 - 20 minutes later you can almost feel you muscles swelling or filling, its a wierd feeling.

Ive seen some reports that by taking WMS with Whey will actually slow the absorbtion down of the WMS and that you should take the WMS about 20 minutes before your PWO shake on its own with water?

Surley this defeats the object of taking WMS, as i thought it was added to help to force all the good stuff into your muscles PWO to help with recovery?

Also some people have been using it through the day and also pre + post workout and have gained/filled out but not gained any body fat.

There was even referance, saying that you could take upto 250g+ a day ontop of normal foods and not gain any body fat from it but fill out nicely from the carbs.

Yesterday I changed my Post workout shake, removed the Mass powder and added an extra scoop of protein and WMS.

Im also going to start having 40g whey + 50g WMS Pre-Workout along with some creatine.

Im also thinking about glugging down 50g of it around 12pm (about 90 minutes before lunch) which would be on an empty'ish stomach.

Im coming to the end of my cycle (2 weeks left) so want to hold onto the weight and keep the recovery high post-cycle.

Can i use WMS to my advantage here?

What are your thoughts on usage of it, how do you use it? what works best for you?

Cheers.

Paul

**Nytol** · 12-06-2007, 06:04 PM

I mix it with my whey post WO.

80g WMS, 80g Whey

dan2004 · 12-06-2007, 06:32 PM

So, my latest PWO shake contains the following:

1.5 x Scoops of Strawberry Whey
1 x Scoops of Strawberry + Banana Mass Shake
1.5 x Scoops of WMS
10g x Glutamine
5g x BCAA
5g x CEE

What the HECK ! I just have a standard protien drink after working out . What are all these things your dumping in it ? And what will it do for me if i DUMP it in mine lol

ah24 · 12-06-2007, 06:39 PM

I take 60g WMS with 500ml water immediately PWO.
Then 40g whey with 300ml water 20mins after that with 5g creatine. I read somewhere about absorption rates with carbs and protein so best to take 20mins apart or something?

Spangle1187 · 12-06-2007, 07:30 PM

1 x wms
1 x whey protein isolate (strawberry)
1 x CEE (5g)

Tastes good:beer1:

**Great White** · 13-06-2007, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ah24

I read somewhere about absorption rates with carbs and protein so best to take 20mins apart or something?

Yeah, this is what I saw too mate. Might give it a whirl this week, see if i can feel/notice any difference.

Just a note, I took several servings of WMS thoughout the day yesterday, prolly totalled 250g.

Woke up this morning mega full and looked really lean.

Was pretty sweet

**Great White** · 13-06-2007, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dan2004

So, my latest PWO shake contains the following:

1.5 x Scoops of Strawberry Whey
1 x Scoops of Strawberry + Banana Mass Shake
1.5 x Scoops of WMS
10g x Glutamine
5g x BCAA
5g x CEE

What the HECK ! I just have a standard protien drink after working out . What are all these things your dumping in it ?

1.5 x Scoops of Strawberry Whey
Protein - Obvious Reasons

1 x Scoops of Strawberry + Banana Mass Shake
Protein & Complex Carbs - Obvious Reasons

1.5 x Scoops of WMS
Carbs - Helps absorbtion of everything listed here into the muscles by causing an insulin spike and shuttling nutriants into the cells

10g x Glutamine
Aids Recovery and various other benefits (cell volumisation, etc)

5g x BCAA
Branch Chain Amino Acids - Building Blocks of Life

5g x CEE
Creatine Ethyl-Ester - You should know about creatine....

Quote:

And what will it do for me if i DUMP it in mine lol

Make you grow better, recover quicker and may aid in extra strenth at the gym.

**Tinytom** · 13-06-2007, 09:05 AM

Paul how many times do I need to tell you.

CEE works best away from the acid environment of protein so you need to take it on empty stomach 20 minutes before your PWO shake.

Now if you dont listen I will spank you with one of your winkle pickers.

The best PWO combination I've found is pretty much what Paul has listed (minus the CEE of course).

For convenience I use this

2 scoops Pro Recover
2 Scoops inner armour whey
50g WMS
10g Glutamine

This gives

75g Protein (25 Isolate, 50 whey conc/isolate blend)
50g WMS complex carbs
50g Dextrose
5g BCAA
10g Glutamine

Typically I blend the stuff and take it to WO with me. It settles nicely by the time I drink it and I just need a small shake of the shaker to disperse it again.

If you are using insulin this combination is escpecially important as it doesnt spike insulin as much, obviously if you use slin you dont want a natural spike as well in case of a hypo.

anabolic lion · 13-06-2007, 09:44 AM

does the wms not need 2 b taken on its own , have read somewhere taking with protien and other bits n bobs effects its absorbstion rate

Also i normally have my carbs 20min b4 my whey pwo

cheers

ERGO · 13-06-2007, 10:24 AM

The above would depend why you are using it - IMO

If you train for athletic performace. And want the quickest possible replenishment of Glycogen then take the WMS on its own as detailed.

If you are trying to ellicit maximum anabolic response use the WMS to drive protein (and creatine Mono or even L-Carnotine or anything else you may fancy) uptake. So therefore use as Paul currently is.

To be honest don't get to bogged down on what one research paper says - there will be just as many saying the exact opposite. E.G. Take 20g WPI first thing after and then a Protein/CHO mix 30 minutes after that for optimum results (in both glycogen and aminoacidemia (anabolic) response.

If anyone is interested my current PWO shake is:

40g Protein (Whey)
40g Vitargo/WMS
15g Palatinose - so that my blood sugar levels don't have a crash after the WMS hits.

But this gets changed around frequently in order to try new theories and accomodate different goals (also a fan of oats and palatinose PWO).

Peace,
ERGO

dan2004 · 13-06-2007, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UK Muscle

1.5 x Scoops of Strawberry Whey
Protein - Obvious Reasons

1 x Scoops of Strawberry + Banana Mass Shake
Protein & Complex Carbs - Obvious Reasons

1.5 x Scoops of WMS
Carbs - Helps absorbtion of everything listed here into the muscles by causing an insulin spike and shuttling nutriants into the cells

10g x Glutamine
Aids Recovery and various other benefits (cell volumisation, etc)

5g x BCAA
Branch Chain Amino Acids - Building Blocks of Life

5g x CEE
Creatine Ethyl-Ester - You should know about creatine....

Make you grow better, recover quicker and may aid in extra strenth at the gym.

Wow - Can i be a pain and ask a good brand of each that you would recomend then ? Il give that a shot !!!! Does it bloat you out after consumming all that ?

Conrad · 13-06-2007, 12:56 PM

probs best going to my protien if you want to buy all the individual componants.

dan2004 · 13-06-2007, 01:04 PM

Wel i have protien - but not WHEY just normal , and of course i have CEE just need good choices of the other 4 he stated 5g x BCAA,10g x Glutamine,1.5 x Scoops of WMS,1 x Scoops of Strawberry + Banana Mass Shake

**Great White** · 13-06-2007, 02:13 PM

Have a look at our discount page in my signature.

http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/view.php?pg=special_offers

All of our sponsors offer the above bits.

Dont get bloated if I use water to mix it, skimied milk, slighly bloated, semi-skimmed pretty bloated.

Lightweight! · 14-06-2007, 01:38 PM

I take 2 scoops of bccas straight after training chased down with 70grams of wazy maize in water.

Then 20 minutes later 2 scoops of unflavoured protein in water, meal to follow about 45 minutes later.

12-06-2007, 02:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,234	WMS - How do take yours? Hello All. Ok, firstly I'm not interested which brand you use, be it MyProtein.co.uk @ £5.99 per KG, Bulkpowders.co.uk @ £6.49 per KG or even if you are shoveling down Tesco`s Cornflour @ £2.00 per KG ( Im still not convinced about the WMS/CF debated personally, i`ll be sticking with WMS ) I just want to know how you are all taking yours. Ive been doing a lot of research on many herbs, nutrients, proteins, etc over the past few months and WMS is one of them. TinyTom first got me hooked on it about 10 weeks ago, and ive used it ever since, but only Post Workout @ 50g in my shake. So, my latest PWO shake contains the following: 1.5 x Scoops of Strawberry Whey 1 x Scoops of Strawberry + Banana Mass Shake 1.5 x Scoops of WMS 10g x Glutamine 5g x BCAA 5g x CEE I can feel the difference by adding the WMS, about 15 - 20 minutes later you can almost feel you muscles swelling or filling, its a wierd feeling. Ive seen some reports that by taking WMS with Whey will actually slow the absorbtion down of the WMS and that you should take the WMS about 20 minutes before your PWO shake on its own with water? Surley this defeats the object of taking WMS, as i thought it was added to help to force all the good stuff into your muscles PWO to help with recovery? Also some people have been using it through the day and also pre + post workout and have gained/filled out but not gained any body fat. There was even referance, saying that you could take upto 250g+ a day ontop of normal foods and not gain any body fat from it but fill out nicely from the carbs. Yesterday I changed my Post workout shake, removed the Mass powder and added an extra scoop of protein and WMS. Im also going to start having 40g whey + 50g WMS Pre-Workout along with some creatine. Im also thinking about glugging down 50g of it around 12pm (about 90 minutes before lunch) which would be on an empty'ish stomach. Im coming to the end of my cycle (2 weeks left) so want to hold onto the weight and keep the recovery high post-cycle. Can i use WMS to my advantage here? What are your thoughts on usage of it, how do you use it? what works best for you? Cheers. Paul __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

12-06-2007, 06:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
Nytol UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,305	Re: WMS - How do take yours? I mix it with my whey post WO. 80g WMS, 80g Whey __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

12-06-2007, 06:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
dan2004 Collecting Little Green Boxes Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 570	Re: WMS - How do take yours? So, my latest PWO shake contains the following: 1.5 x Scoops of Strawberry Whey 1 x Scoops of Strawberry + Banana Mass Shake 1.5 x Scoops of WMS 10g x Glutamine 5g x BCAA 5g x CEE What the HECK ! I just have a standard protien drink after working out . What are all these things your dumping in it ? And what will it do for me if i DUMP it in mine lol

12-06-2007, 06:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
ah24 Getting HUGE! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: crawley Posts: 2,553	Re: WMS - How do take yours? I take 60g WMS with 500ml water immediately PWO. Then 40g whey with 300ml water 20mins after that with 5g creatine. I read somewhere about absorption rates with carbs and protein so best to take 20mins apart or something?

12-06-2007, 07:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
Spangle1187 Getting bigger Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Greenwich Posts: 335	Re: WMS - How do take yours? 1 x wms 1 x whey protein isolate (strawberry) 1 x CEE (5g) Tastes good:beer1: __________________ Time to get down to business To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

13-06-2007, 09:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
Tinytom SuperMod on the road to redemption Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,271	Re: WMS - How do take yours? Paul how many times do I need to tell you. CEE works best away from the acid environment of protein so you need to take it on empty stomach 20 minutes before your PWO shake. Now if you dont listen I will spank you with one of your winkle pickers. The best PWO combination I've found is pretty much what Paul has listed (minus the CEE of course). For convenience I use this 2 scoops Pro Recover 2 Scoops inner armour whey 50g WMS 10g Glutamine This gives 75g Protein (25 Isolate, 50 whey conc/isolate blend) 50g WMS complex carbs 50g Dextrose 5g BCAA 10g Glutamine Typically I blend the stuff and take it to WO with me. It settles nicely by the time I drink it and I just need a small shake of the shaker to disperse it again. If you are using insulin this combination is escpecially important as it doesnt spike insulin as much, obviously if you use slin you dont want a natural spike as well in case of a hypo. __________________ We are what we do. Excellence is therefore a habit not a skill. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Code 'UKM 110' for an extra 5% discount To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Coming Soon To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Also mod at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

13-06-2007, 09:44 AM	#9 (permalink)
anabolic lion Gym Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: West london Posts: 249	Re: WMS - How do take yours? does the wms not need 2 b taken on its own , have read somewhere taking with protien and other bits n bobs effects its absorbstion rate Also i normally have my carbs 20min b4 my whey pwo cheers

13-06-2007, 10:24 AM	#10 (permalink)
ERGO Newbie Trainer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 13	Re: WMS - How do take yours? The above would depend why you are using it - IMO If you train for athletic performace. And want the quickest possible replenishment of Glycogen then take the WMS on its own as detailed. If you are trying to ellicit maximum anabolic response use the WMS to drive protein (and creatine Mono or even L-Carnotine or anything else you may fancy) uptake. So therefore use as Paul currently is. To be honest don't get to bogged down on what one research paper says - there will be just as many saying the exact opposite. E.G. Take 20g WPI first thing after and then a Protein/CHO mix 30 minutes after that for optimum results (in both glycogen and aminoacidemia (anabolic) response. If anyone is interested my current PWO shake is: 40g Protein (Whey) 40g Vitargo/WMS 15g Palatinose - so that my blood sugar levels don't have a crash after the WMS hits. But this gets changed around frequently in order to try new theories and accomodate different goals (also a fan of oats and palatinose PWO). Peace, ERGO

13-06-2007, 12:56 PM	#12 (permalink)
Conrad Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London Town Posts: 491	Re: WMS - How do take yours? probs best going to my protien if you want to buy all the individual componants.

13-06-2007, 01:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
dan2004 Collecting Little Green Boxes Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 570	Re: WMS - How do take yours? Wel i have protien - but not WHEY just normal , and of course i have CEE just need good choices of the other 4 he stated 5g x BCAA,10g x Glutamine,1.5 x Scoops of WMS,1 x Scoops of Strawberry + Banana Mass Shake

13-06-2007, 02:13 PM	#14 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,234	Re: WMS - How do take yours? Have a look at our discount page in my signature. http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/view.php?pg=special_offers All of our sponsors offer the above bits. Dont get bloated if I use water to mix it, skimied milk, slighly bloated, semi-skimmed pretty bloated. __________________ Welcome to Uk-Muscle.co.uk "I was born perfect, and just like the great white shark, have never had to evolve!" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Hardcore Bodybuilding & Powerlifting Community! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Bodybuilding & Sports Video Sharing Community!

14-06-2007, 01:38 PM	#15 (permalink)
Lightweight! Newbie Trainer Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 44	Re: WMS - How do take yours? I take 2 scoops of bccas straight after training chased down with 70grams of wazy maize in water. Then 20 minutes later 2 scoops of unflavoured protein in water, meal to follow about 45 minutes later.

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