Snorbitz1uk

Does any other companies apart for cnp do this or an equivelent, looking to save a few quid?

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[quote]I very much doubt a 4 week cycle of anything apart from chips is going to cause super huge gains and stretch marks mate.[quote]

dale_flex

Nutrisport 90+ is micellar casein and whey isolate blend similiar to pro pep, with time release theory. But you will get mixed reveiws about nutrisport products on here i personally like them as they are great value for money. The 90+ does not have the pro-biotics like propep though. Why not go to bulk powders and but bulk whey isolate and bulk miscellar casein and mix your own it will work out alot cheaper and bulk powders has a great following on here, Dale.

Pscarb

Pro - Pep is a blended protein just like Extreme Protein plus as a member of the forum you get 25% discount...

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Nine Pack

If you're looking for an exact equivalent then I'm afraid you'll be searching in vain. There is only one company using genuine undenatured micellar caesin.

I had a long chat with Kerry keyes a long time ago about this as I found what I thought was an equivalent as it claimed to have undenatured M.C. I won't mention any company names. The micellar caesin used in Pep is sourced from the sole manufacturer of these undenatured proteins for use in the medical field. They will not sell to any other supplement manufacturer.

That said, you can still get a good time release effect from the other blended proteins. If the caesin has been subject to any heating or chemical processing then there may be a slight compromise on quality though. It's just a matter of finding one your G.I tract can tolerate without all the wind & associated unpleasantness that sometimes comes with protein supplementation. Everyone has thier preferred make once they've tried a few.

Snorbitz1uk

thanks all for the advise

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Pscarb

Paul does he give a reason to why there is 1g of Trans fat in the shake as this is probably the worst fat you can get and definatly does not have a place in my opinion in a bodybuilding supplement...

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Karl(Reflex)

I would assume that they would be natural trans fats that are present in dairy products. Not trans fats that are formed via partial hydrogenation.

genesis

The protein powder im using at the moment states under the ingredients undenatured cross flow microfiltered whey isolate and undenatured micellar casein.
If CNP are the only company using genuine undenatured micellar casein then what would be in the one im using

Pscarb

Karl unless i am mistaken their is only one type of Trans Fat and that is the bad type so again why is it in a bodybuilding supp

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dale_flex

Paul just out of interest i know you are now an extreme nutrition athlete but before your time with them which proteins and supplements did you spend your hard earned on?

Nine Pack

Paul,
There is no trans fat at all in pro peptide. There is however 1g of saturated fat, and we still need a certain amount of it in the diet as I'm sure you are aware. I will double check with John H, but all the packaging & literature I have says 0g trans fat.

Other companies may claim to have undenatured micellar caesin in thier products, but surely you all know the supplement industry on the whole is not afraid of bending the truth at times. This is exactly what CNP are trying to set themselves apart from. When Pro Pep was launched, there were suddenly a lot of imitators on the market claiming to be the same. All I can tell you is what I have been told by CNP themselves, and I have never had cause to doubt them. They are the most straight talking, honest bunch of people I have ever met.

Pscarb

Paul the last tub of Pro-Pep definatly had the number 1 next to the word Trans Fat this may of been in the old version but it was there....

Dale - i used products from CNP, Dymatize, Cytosport, Sci-tech and others i still use bars from trioplex

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Nytol

I think you are correct, no such thing as a natural trans fat as far as I am aware.

NinePack, if a company is making false claims about a product, then surely you should name them, so we have the option of not to buying this stuff?

I have not always heard the most complimentry things about Kerry, so I'd be hesitant to just take his word, did you research what he claimed for yourself?

Pscarb

Paul B i have nothing against CNP and i have the up most respect for both John and Kerry but as Nytol has said if it is in there then we as postential customers deserve to know why...

here is a pic taken from the breakdown on the label from a supplement site on the net...i have an old tub of Pro-Pep and it matches...

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genesis

dont know wether any one has noticed this but CNP have just revamped their packaging with bigger CNP lettering on the front of their tubs i have an old and a new Tub the old one has 1g of trans fat in the new one dosent that seems to be the only difference between the 2