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As Mr Hodgson stated in his earlier post, he's "our main man"

Also, I dont want to cause a riot here BUT... it appears to me that article was strategically edited by the poster to read " ******* " almost hinting it was EXTREME, when in fact the company the article relates to is not, it is M*********. Just to clarify :love:

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A good value protein blend, I think, is USN Pure Protein. For us, thats by far the best selling protein blend we do. I would say Pro Peptide is certainly better quality, but USN's 5lb tub for £31.99 is the better value option - or £30.39 with free shipping if you use discount code UKM5 on our site (hey, everyone else always pimps their services on here so why cant we - we are the longest serving UKM sponsor after all ).

Seriously though, thats my pick for protein blends for those on a budget. We sell 5-6 times as much Pure Protein as any other protein blend we do and I can assure you we have no reason to promote USN over other brands, we dont even buy direct from them. Pro Peptide does quite well for us, but many people dont want to pay £23.99 for 14 servings. We sold Extreme's Protein Blend for a while and its a good product, but we just didnt get any demand for it if I'm completely honest.

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Nine Pack

Yes, the article was edited as Phil did not wish to publicly discredit the company. In the states, they are a lot more letigious than we are so it's understandable. Phil Connolly is behind the formulation of Pro Peptide as John stated earlier. The facts in the article are the facts though, regardless of who he is connected to. The company that he was referring to is not Extreme. It's another company who have been pulled up for mislabelling in the past. They clearly see Pro Pep as a threat as they make false & misleading claims about whey proteins as well as making false claims about micellar casien.

The original thread started by asking if there was a good equivalent. If you read the facts in the article & understand them, irrespective of the brands, then it's clear the answer is an emphatic no. There are some good quality products out there, there's also a lot of wallpaper paste. I choose to use the best I can get my mitts on as I don't want a 'budget' physique.

XL BODIES LTD

I have watched this thread with much interest and the original question was, does anybody know of an alternative to Pro-Pep but a little bit cheaper!
Now Extreme Nutrition do offer an alternative at a more favourable price and that is a genuine answer.
There are a few and i do mean very 'few' other companys that have an alternative, but there are a hundred more that dont and only sell cheap inferior products.
CNP and Extreme Nutrition where started/setup, by genuine bodybuilders to offer good products for bodybuilders, but without the hype and poor quality.
Extreme have never miss labelled or been pulled for selling anything but the product in the tub as advertised or labelled. What you do get is value for money, something CNP seem to be outpriceing themselves.
It is without question their products are good quality and work but at what price ?
Most B.B.ers are on a budget and as such try to get the best they can for the money they have.
Now Kerry or Douglas would be the first to say both companys are offering quality products and are owned by genuine people, as they are mutual freinds of each other and have been for some years.
So the answer is do your homework/research and ask questions, you will hopefully get an unbiased answer that helps !

Nine Pack

I agree that Pro Peptide is not something that everyone would consider using regularly due to the cost issue, but as Kerry quite rightly states, these products are, meal per meal, cheaper than food. For example how much would you have to spend to get 42 grams of quality protein & 19g complex carbs (I refer to Pro MR having low DE value maltodextrin)? A serving of Pro MR will average at £1.90 even at retail prices. The equivalent meal using chicken & rice? Far more expensive.

Also, so many bodybuilders will say they are on a 'budget' but think nothing of spending a fortune on AAS etc and leave themselves short for the things that should really be providing the cornerstone of thier progress, good nutrition. If I had to give up either AAS use, or good supplementation I'd be buying my protein powders every time.

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Nine Pack most Pro bodybuilders state food/ nutrition first and training, then Supplements.

Definition of supplement= thing added to complete something or make up for a lack . Provide or be a supplement to something.

Now there is no substitute to whole food in a balanced diet, however we all know in todays society we have a lack of time and also amenities to be able to make and sit down to eat meals when needed.
This is where supplements come into their own.

As for your comment on what people see as the way forward and spend their money on you are correct. AAS seems to be the first thing a newbie or some seasoned trainers go for, over and above good diet and solid training. But this will always be the same no matter how we try to educate them.
Look at the general populations take on seeing a big cut B.B er they say 'He must take loads of Steriods' not god he must train / eat well !

So yes supplements have there place, but not over a good solid diet and training regimen. They are there to help you reach your goals !

Nine Pack

I agree entirely, nutrition, recuperation & training smart are the cornerstones of bodybuilding. I also agree that most pro's would get the priorities right too, I was not suggesting that they did otherwise. It's the grass roots level that are being mis-led by the magazines & as you quite rightly say, will asssume that the drugs were solely responsible for the gains they see in magazines. In an ideal world, we would be able to get through to these people the fact that gear is not the answer to all thier prayers, but I know this is never really going to happen. I was just trying to emphasise that supplements & food should be high on the priority list, & then if there's sufficient disposable income left, maybe other things, where appropriate.

It is true that most of us have trouble sitting down to six solid meals a day and that supplements come into thier own for this purpose, again, I was not suggesting otherwise. I am a CNP distributor, I use supplements every day as they are an invaluable tool to me & my clients. I regularly formulate diets for clients and I can't think of one that had someone eating six solid food meals per day, they all need the convenience of MRP's etc.

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i think we can all agree that most of us could not meet our daily nutritional needs without protein drinks or MRP's of some type...now we all have a our favourites this is obvious but to be honest to say one brand is far ahead of the other in my opinion is wrong i have used most brands in my time and i have settled with a brand that i trust to give me what i need at a price that is affordable with a taste i can stomach this is all we can ask from a supplement....

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Nine Pack

Wise words, everyone has thier own personal preference. Competition between companies (setting aside iffy claims some make) will only serve to improve the quality of the products accross the board, which will benefit the end user.

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Now you have it an end, that all can agree on !
Supplements have there place and yes its high up or should be on everyones plan. As for company of choice I would be the first to say CNP are there in the top few that are honest and sell very good quality products, Extreme Nutrition are there too, along side a very small minority of others.
So the moral of the story is, do you research, ask the right questions, train hard, eat right, rest and hopefully see the results you want.

EXTREME

Nine Pack I think you "emphatic no, there is no equilvilent to Pro Pepteide" means very little. According to you you've used CNP for years, you train in Kerry Kayes gym and you actually sell CNP products, hmmmmm, it doesn't seem likely you've much chance of being impartial does it? When's the last time you tried another companies products with an open mind?

The thread was started by Snorbitz who now has a tub of Extreme Protein in his possesion so I think as a neutral party he should have the final say if he feels there is an alternative to Pro Peptide.

We have a university testing/development program which ends later this year and we will then be able to publish actual figures of how Extreme Nutrition products exhibit an effect on actual performance and body composition. I'm unaware of any other British company who can lay claim to have undertaken such a commitment to actually proving the products do what they are intended to.

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I have to say that taste wise the extreme protein is nice and does not sit heavy on the stomach, i had previously used the met-rx and this is nicer, very similar in taste to multipower protein.

At the cost i would use this over the cnp.

Glad i started this thread good reading.

Thanks guys

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Nine Pack

Extreme,
You have wrongly assumed that I use products simply because I sell them, and because I know Kerry Keyes and also assumed that I have not tried any other makes. I used the CNP range long before I started selling the stuff. It's directly because of the quality of the products & results that I got that I decided that when I set up my business, I would go with a product line that in effect, sells itself.

You have also said I'm not exactly impartial, the same would apply to you would it not? I am not employed by CNP, nor sponsored by them, so I feel I can accurately say I am more impartial than you on the subject. On the subject of the study you will be embarking on, might I suggest a test using several makes & including a placebo group, so that the results can be compared accross the board? The reason CNP don't do this is that most people would assume that any study funded by a supplement manufacturer will be heavily biased, and that results will be 'interpreted' to suit the company.

Unless you had been handcuffed to me for the last ten years (and I'm fairly sure I'd have noticed) how can you possibly question the last time I tried a competitiors product? It was yesterday if you really need to know. I had some samples of BSN that were dished out at a show I did in september so thought I'd give it a go. I liked the taste, but had serious trouble digesting it.
I regularly try other makes as I need to know what the competition is up to, it's in my own interest. If another manufacturer can genuinely better the quality of what I sell & use now, then I will look into using & selling that make. I am responsible in part, for my clients results, and will supply the best quality products I possibly can. Presently I genuinely believe CNP is, on the whole, the best, but agree everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I have been on the BB scene now for over 15 years & started out working for Weider Health & Fitness so I had the opportunity to try pretty much every make under the sun. Even now, I get some products from a wholesale supplier who stocks all makes so I speak from experience, not bias. If you read my previous post, I maintain that the final decision is down to personal preference and that any healthy competition will ultimately serve to benefit the end user as products continue to improve. That was a statement made with no bias whatsoever.

Anyway, this thread seems to have served it's usefulness to the members as a lot of useful information had come to light, some of which a lot of people were not aware of, myself included (I refer to CLA turning out to be a natural trans fat).

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