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Old 20-02-2007, 04:17 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Vitamins the truth behind RDA's
Toxicity will depend on the need of the vitamin.

A person with cancer for instance will need 26,000mg of vitamin C and it will not be toxic.
Vitamin C is not considered toxic even with high dosages, but my point is that when the body needs more we can give it more without it being toxic. This applies to the minerals and vitamins that can be toxic.

You can create a detrimental effect on the body if you do not take your vitamins in the right proportions as well.

The best way always to get your vitamins is through good food sources not pills.
Having said that, I do take vitamin and mineral supplements.

No one vitamin is a magic bullet for health or for causing any diseases.

I've said over and over again on this site that for the body to work properly it needs all nutrients in abundance not just one or two.

I have taken 26,000IU of vitamin A and have not had any toxic effects, but at the time, I needed that large amount.
The amount of vitamins you take is dynamic depending on many factors.

If you worry about toxic effects, take the vitamins 6 days a week and skip one day.

That skip day could be your cheat meal day when you eat more calories with less nutrition. You will need the vitamins. Any toxicity will be counteracted because the body has to use the stored vitamins.


As for Copper toxicity in the water pipes:Run your tap water for 15 seconds in the morning before drinking it or using it.

Exerpt form article on copper toxicity:

"The most likely place to be exposed to copper is through drinking water, especially if your water is corrosive and you have copper pipes in your house. The best way to lower the level of copper in your drinking water is to let the water run for at least 15 seconds first thing in the morning before drinking or using it. This reduces the levels of copper in tap water dramatically.

If you work with copper, wear the necessary protective clothing and equipment, and always follow safety procedures. Shower and change your clothes before going home each day."
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Re: Vitamins the truth behind RDA's
Vitamin A in beta carotene form is not toxic.

26,000IU/mg (non beta carotene form) is considered toxic.

Scroll down past the post reply and quick reply window to view the similar threads below for more information that has been given on the subject of vitamins and bodybuilding.
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Guys, you need to look at the copper amounts in your supplements.
Seems there is some association with high copper and Alzheimer’s disease.
They used to think it was aluminum but just recently it is suggested copper is the cause.

Most vitamin supplements contain 2mg of copper and if you are taking many of the multiples then you are probably over the top on copper.
Worse yet if you are taking a mineral supplement, again those have 2mg of copper.
Now to make things worse, many water pipes are made of copper and if you have acidic (low PH) water then you run a risk of leeching from the pipes into your water, making this even worse.

That is true Hacks with a but! Copper is associated with Alzhiemers but Homocystein is linked much more directly. The addition of extra B6, B12 and folic acid combats raised Homocystien levels. ALso associated with Alzhiemers is raised oxidant levels.

Additionally every mineral has its antagonist, coppers is zinc as per the periodic table, other antagonists are Vit c and B3. When you take the multis plus the anti oxidants and extra vit c you redress an icrease in copper directly and lower oxidant levels, just make sure you have at least a 1-10 copper to zinc ratio, which every good multi will have already.

Due to Copper toxicity, amongst other things, I filter all my drinking water with a Brita filter. I also supplement with its antagonists as per the directed programme above.

Did you know? Clomid raises Copper significantly! On your next PCT you may want extra Vitc and Zinc.

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Given the poverty of condensed vitamin info out there, this is a real breath of fresh air in it's depth and clarity.

That said, I want some confirmation about the toxicity levels of Vitamin A, most sources I've seen place it around 3200 - which is a big disparity. What studies have demonstrated normal body function at 8000??

Agree about RDA, it's a pathetically unrealistic yardstick that started many years before the advent of bodybuilding, before we had so much pollution and refinements in our food.

Most people think of RDA as "A minimum amount of nutrients I need to feel great every day!" whereas in fact it has only two purposes, both of which are utter copouts...

1) So manufacturers can get away with making food appear healthier than it is;

2) To avoid the risk of advocating toxic levels of vits.

Ok that' all, any proof on Vit A toxicity levels appreciated.


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It is retinol which is toxic not Beta carotene as Peg has said above, remember bodybuilders supplemented with handfuls of liver tablets at one time, and liver is the most concentrated source of vit A, there was few if any reports of toxicity.

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Dammit I didnt know that about clomid and copper.
Oh man, thanks for that.
I knew about the zinc but not clomid.
Sweet, I learned something today........yay...........yippie.......
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Now that custom capsule are giving UK-Muscle members a 20% discount, we have a great opportunity to make our own high strength vitamins, just punch the values above into there shopping interface and you have your very own ODA strength vitamins & minerals capsules!!

Will take a little converting from mg/mcg to IU's in some cases.

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Re: Vitamins the truth behind RDA's
Reall good. That read was an eye opener for sure! Is this a sticky? Should be! Also anybody got more info on copper reduction. Its quite worrying about the alzheimers thing.
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Reall good. That read was an eye opener for sure! Is this a sticky? Should be! Also anybody got more info on copper reduction. Its quite worrying about the alzheimers thing.
Yes it was a sticky for a while, but the admin re-shuffle the stickies now and again to give other articles a chance.

Copper is antagonised by Zinc, so increased zinc will reduce copper. Filtering tap water does the same.

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Thanks Gen,

This article took some work so I am glad its helping a few people, really recommend everyone read optimum nutrition by Patrick Holford, you can individualise a vitamin supplement programme based on questionaires in the book.

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WOW!!!!!!!!!
think i need to up my omega 3 as well so i can cram in all this info in.
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great post SD as usual a fountain of knowledge to be found here if you care to read........
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