flapjack

I use water for my shakes as I am already drinking everyones milk too fast.

darkiwi

im 210lb at 6%bf a lil milk wnt hurt me

juntamonkey

Water just for the ease, I dont care too much for amazing flavour I just want it down me......

gaz 1982

with water and then poured over 6 weetabix every morning hhhmmmmmmm

HinduWarrior

Is whey with whole milk any good before bed, will it provide a steady flow of protein while sleeping, or should whole mile be replaced with semi or skimmed?

fits

If your a hard gainer trying to bulk up i would say use whole milk. The added fat will help slow down the insulin spike which isn't good as when you sleep your body releases most of it's GH about 90mins or so in. Eating or drinking anyting that spikes insulin this close to sleep is said to not be such a good thing.

davetherave

water as i cant do milk anymore

they taste better with milk though but it is not worrth the time sat on the porcelain throne if im honest :(

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HinduWarrior

wicked, thanks mate, i think i'll stick to whey in whole milk before sleep!

Yea Boi

i try to take them as much as i can with milk simply as the milk gives more protein but i feel it tastes too thick and sometime i have to do about 125ml water + 125ml milk together just to thin it out abit, maybe its just the cheap stuff i got from holland and barrett which is no good with milk but will soon see when i buy something else

squalllion1uk

water water water :P

Lost Soul

The only people who should avoid milk:

those with lactose issues
those who dont agree with the ethics of milk and its use
those pre contest

There is no issue with the slowing of the absoprtion, no requirement to have water after training an certainly no requirement to use milk before bed.

Why do the yanks use chocolate milk PWO if milk is so slow digesting? Why is milk 'slow' when it is so insulinogenic? Just how much casein does 250ml of milk has to make it a slow protein?

Bottom line, it matters not and the consumption of whey is over hyped and provides one small part of anyones regime and the whole milk Vs water debate is like the wine or beer with a meal. They both taste good, both get you ****ed and are both enjoyed by many

thestudbeast

wrong

1. it's the fat in the milk that slows digestion not the casin
2. agree about whey protein it will be replaced by an amino mix (EAA) by most supp companies for PW nutrition over the next few years.
3. The calcium in the milk alkalizes the stomach and so sould not be drunk with meals, should be fine with protein, this also slows digestion.
4. Milk is insulinagenic due to it being hard to digest - the lactase enzyme that should be present in it has been eliminated in pasterization.
5. I agree milk too close to bed would be a bad idea but say 90 mins before would be helpful as insulin levels would be lowering.
6. Yes whey is not as quickly digested as most think the peak amino concentrarion in blood levels in 3-4 hours after consumption - so again EAA's make a better PWO shake. Though will taste like crap.

Lost Soul

lol, no

there is no fat in skimmed milk, or none which will be of any issue

milk is also insulinogenic due to AAs, leucine in particular

the rest i agree with as the boire study shows and some work by dr j berardi

thestudbeast

yes the high BCAA count in dairy is a factor and I agree skimmed milk will not slow down digestion to any major degree but it is unhealthy due to the way the fats removed and so should be avoided.

Lost Soul

Yes thats the sh1te they use in the choc milk in question

I agree, gold top is ideal but we live in a fast and easy world and with dairy prices going up....