OnePack

it would take all night to absorb? how long does it take to absorb in milk?

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Dont actually know Onepack to be honest, several hours?

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Aftershock

Casein curdles and forms one big lump in the gut which is broken down slowly all night, (In contrast to whey protein which is in and out of the system in a couple of hours), the fats further reduce the absorbsion rate. So yeah pretty much getting a slow release of protein into the system throughout the night which will graetly reduce the chances of you going catabolic while you sleep.

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hackskii

You could add some apple pectin to further slow the digestion of the protein, that too gel's in the stomach.
Great for lowering GI and cholesterol (bad).

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Nytol

Both, I use half goats milk and half water.

mb250

There are some interesting ideas on how well we can use protein in the absence of fats - it seems that whole organic milk might be a good idea in all but post workout (where digestion times are an issue).

Latest studies show skimmed milk in particular to be pretty useless and even encourages fat storage, due to the absence of the essential fat, vits and minerals for the protein usage - almost like the badness of refined carbs.

One to keep in mind....

Ultrasonic

Very interesting. If it's easy for you is there any chance you could give me one or two references of where details of these studies are published? It sounds like they'd be worth checking out.

mb250

I'll try to dig them out. From what i recall it runs along the same lines as refining carbohydrates - essentially giving 'empty calories' as often reffered to in cakes etc

Essetnially milk is designed to be used as a whole, the various fat soluble vits, minerals and enzymes all assist in the protein and carb breakdown and usage. Skimmed milk in particular was indicated to encourage deamination (the breakdown of amino acids into acid and ammonia) which ibn turn ihibits glycogen use- in theory encouraging fat storage.

hackskii

I would like to see it too but I already knew that taking the fat out of milk was a bad idea.
Babies need fat for brain development.
Mothers milk has tons of fat.

Anytime you take something and refine it speeds the spiking of blood sugars and loses some nutrition.

Apples are low in the glycemic index but apple juice is much higher.
Why?
Absense of fiber.

Meat for another example a steak does not spike blood sugars as high as ground beef does.
Why?
The grinding took away a portion of the digestive process.

I do believe mb250 is right on this one. Many people drink no fat milk and that would spike blood sugars due to the fat being removed.
Seems like everyone wants to re-invent the wheel.

You have to have fat in your diet, you cant live without it.

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mb250

Its still designed for baby cows though

Whole Milk got a beating in the anti saturated fat days, now people are realising the importance of sat fats for hormones, etc etc and realised trans fats cause the major problems.

Milk fat is even a great source of short and medium chain triglycerides.

hackskii

I even get free range eggs from my buddy at work where his chickens run around his yard eating bugs and all kinds of stuff.
Free range eggs have 19 times the Omega 3 than store bought eggs.

It is not just trans fats its also hydrogenated oils too.
That stuff will kill you and it is in everything.

Guys get on me for eating eggs and they are eating a dougnut and a cup of coffee.
People are so fat phobic it is sickening. But these people have no problems opening up a bag of chips(crisps to you UK dudes) and wolfing them down with a soda.

My friend picks on me for eating 12 fish oils a day and I just got on him for eating a cup of noodles and soda for a meal.
I told him that is going to kill him, he said it was cheap. I said duh there is nothing in there

Thanks for the input mb250

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fits

Interesting reading, i'd liek to hear what our pro BBers on here have to say. It make sense, infact i start drinking whole milk a while ago, but then i read alot of people (in mags and forums) in very good shape use alot of skim milk.

I started brining a flask to work and sometimes make up a skim milk protein shake.....then add olive oil. is this better than using whole milk? or a pointless exercise? Would i be better using whole milk with some water, to add volume, and adding protein powder?

Great White

Milk when bulking, water when cutting for me.

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mb250

The only thing i can think of concerning protein powders (of a decent quality) and mixing with milk is the change in amino acid profile could potentially be worse, and again would encourage the breakdown of the aminos un-needed.

The main reason to use whole milk is so your body can use the protein within the milk itself properly, and avoid vitamin and nutrient theft from elsewhere, but im pretty sure that without fat you dont utilise protein fully. However, to what extent and what levels of fat need to be present im not sure on (ie if you have decent fats in your diet this may not be an issue when consuming protein drinks with water)

Draculas

100% water at any time, lactose spoils everything ;)