Are you wasting all that protein you are taking??? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Peg · 22-06-2006, 07:42 PM

You are if you are not getting enough vitamin A and D in your diet.
We worry about the toxicity of A and D in our diets, but you would be surprised at how much a bodybuilder should consume.
Read the following article:
Vitamin A - The Forgotten Bodybuilding Nutrient.

Increase your A and D vitamins through good food sources or through supplimentation.
I would still recommend fish oils over cod liver oil for Omega 3 Fatty Acid.
Try the beef liver or chicken liversrecipes.

I take 10,000 IU vitamin A every day along with good food sources. I have less muscle than you big lads, too, and lift less weight!
I've not ever had any toxic effects.

If you are worried about toxic effects. Take supplimentation for 6 days and skip one day which is what I do.

LondonGeezer · 22-06-2006, 09:33 PM

there is soooo much in bodybuilding its unbelievable.. take this for this effect BUT it has side effects so counter it with this.. which is toxic so slap in some of this n that n this n that.. loll its driving me crazy (just a wee bit)

I have 1 Vitamin tablet daily, my protein shake contains 17-18 amino acids & BCAA's in it. and i have a codliver oil tablet daily aswell.

the vitamin tablet i take is Sonatogen Gold A-Z.

need something for my knee tho, it makes a crackling sound everytime i get up from a crouching position, my doc made fun of me and sed if it dont hurt, dont worry BUT its only 1knee, he said the cartilage is grinding and thats obviously not good.. i drink loads of water but no use its still worse then effer. im hoping the water retention from dbol will help

**hackskii** · 22-06-2006, 10:22 PM

I hear too much vitamin A for a man can inhibit LH. Hmmmmmm

Peg · 23-06-2006, 06:58 AM

Can you give site that reference for me?

I honestly believe bodybuilders cannot overdose on Vitamin A with the amount of protein they ingest and with the low fat diets they follow.

10,000IU is equivalent to 3000mcg

LondonGeezer:
I agree with you!!

It really is a matter of understanding your body and its needs.
When the body needs more of something because of the added demands on its biochemistry, then what can normally be toxic is not toxic at all.
Toxicity has to be mentioned so that everyone is aware of it.

Tatyana · 23-06-2006, 07:50 AM

A is fat soluble, and with all the fat soluble vitamins you have to be careful! I think A is the worse to OD on as well.

Loads of lads call themselves bodybuilders but don't always walk the walk!

Moderation in everything is the best policy

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Ironman · 23-06-2006, 12:32 PM

I go through phases of taking lots of vitamins ( I could list them but its a canny few) and then through stages like now where I dont take any.

The result - I neither feel any different - nor do I notice any difference in performance or gains.

This is not to say that vitamins are not needed for bodily function etc but a good multivitamin pack will no doubt do the trick, i would imagine anyway, as dont forget we get most of what we need through the food that we eat.

tkd · 23-06-2006, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tatyana

A is fat soluble, and with all the fat soluble vitamins you have to be careful! I think A is the worse to OD on as well.

Loads of lads call themselves bodybuilders but don't always walk the walk!

Moderation in everything is the best policy

x
x
x
T

There are two types of Vitamin A, which perform the exact same functions.
Retinol(fat soluble) and Beta carotene(water soluble) AKA Pro-vitamin A
Peg your probably taking Beta carotene, thats why your not experiencing the toxic effects. As the body uses what it can and flushes out the rest.

LondonGeezer · 23-06-2006, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ironman

I go through phases of taking lots of vitamins ( I could list them but its a canny few) and then through stages like now where I dont take any.

The result - I neither feel any different - nor do I notice any difference in performance or gains.

This is not to say that vitamins are not needed for bodily function etc but a good multivitamin pack will no doubt do the trick, i would imagine anyway, as dont forget we get most of what we need through the food that we eat.

yeah man i totally agree, i started working out seriously in december but only started a multivitamin tablet like last month.. no difference noticed but i also believe this is due to the fact i eat a lot of healthy foods, lots of fruits, veg, fish and red meat.

Peg · 23-06-2006, 02:38 PM

I take only 20% beta carotene simply because the supplements are adding that to the mix now but 15 years ago Beta Carotene was not added.

Food is the key: Eating healthy is always better than supplements.
When I eat more foods that have vitamin A in them, I will reduce my supplement. I tend to not eat enough Vitamin A foods. The high potency foods just aren't my favorites.

It is a natural dynamic of supply and demand.

I've been taking 10,000 IU for over 25 years. I take it 5-6 days a week and skip a day.. at the advice of a nutritionist I respect. That skipping one day makes sure that there is no toxic build-up.

My protein utilization is very good. No bloating, no stinky farts, scarring of wounds minimum, injuries heal quickly, hair very strong, muscles strong and respond quickly to added demands, Libido is just fine, too. LOL!!!

Vitamins take more than a month to have lasting affects on any change in your health simply because your health needs change daily because each day is different. The body is in a constant changing dynamic of meeting the needs of each day. Some days you need more of certain nutrients, other days you do not.

I posted this thread to remind us to consider if we are getting enough vitamin A and D in our low fat high protein diets. The Recommended Daily Dosage of Vitamin A is for the average person. Bodybuilders are not average persons in regards to the demands they make on their body. If you add to the mix the average day to day needs of antioxidants in our lives the need for Vitamin A increases.
Fear of toxicity may keep us from getting the correct amount of Vitamin A that we need.

Again, no one separate nutrient is the magic bullet. We need the proper balance of all nutrients in our bodies for efficient biochemical processes to take place. Any deficiency in any of the nutrients will cause a deficiency somewhere along the process; the body adapts to maintain life processes first and then any other process is secondary.
My goal is to learn how to keep the deficiencies to the most minimum or nonexistent and thereby give my body the ability to do what it does best -- meeting the demands of the stress I put on it whatever it is, in this case adding lean muscle mass.

I listen to my body. When I am in need of a particular nutrient, it will tell me what to eat since I've trained myself to know what nutrients are in what foods.

That you lads are anywhere from 30 to 100 pounds or more than me with even more muscle mass than I have suggests to me that you need to eat beaucoup sweet potatoes, mangos, liver, or any other vitamin A foods. This is great if you are bulking, not so good if you are cutting.

marso · 26-06-2006, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Loads of lads call themselves bodybuilders but don't always walk the walk!

Moderation in everything is the best policy

Tatyana, since when have male bodybuilders done anything in moderation!!! :becky:

22-06-2006, 07:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
Peg Getting HUGE! Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,468	Are you wasting all that protein you are taking??? You are if you are not getting enough vitamin A and D in your diet. We worry about the toxicity of A and D in our diets, but you would be surprised at how much a bodybuilder should consume. Read the following article: Vitamin A - The Forgotten Bodybuilding Nutrient. Increase your A and D vitamins through good food sources or through supplimentation. I would still recommend fish oils over cod liver oil for Omega 3 Fatty Acid. Try the beef liver or chicken liversrecipes. I take 10,000 IU vitamin A every day along with good food sources. I have less muscle than you big lads, too, and lift less weight! I've not ever had any toxic effects. If you are worried about toxic effects. Take supplimentation for 6 days and skip one day which is what I do. __________________ "21st century man is not conquered by guns, nor by oppression, but by seduction." "Pride to the human heart is like lard to the pig." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn "The best punch is the one that is both first, last, and ends the fight."

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23-06-2006, 06:58 AM	#4 (permalink)
Peg Getting HUGE! Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,468	Can you give site that reference for me? I honestly believe bodybuilders cannot overdose on Vitamin A with the amount of protein they ingest and with the low fat diets they follow. 10,000IU is equivalent to 3000mcg LondonGeezer: I agree with you!! It really is a matter of understanding your body and its needs. When the body needs more of something because of the added demands on its biochemistry, then what can normally be toxic is not toxic at all. Toxicity has to be mentioned so that everyone is aware of it. __________________ "21st century man is not conquered by guns, nor by oppression, but by seduction." "Pride to the human heart is like lard to the pig." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn "The best punch is the one that is both first, last, and ends the fight." Last edited by Peg; 23-06-2006 at 07:07 AM.

23-06-2006, 02:38 PM	#9 (permalink)
Peg Getting HUGE! Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,468	I take only 20% beta carotene simply because the supplements are adding that to the mix now but 15 years ago Beta Carotene was not added. Food is the key: Eating healthy is always better than supplements. When I eat more foods that have vitamin A in them, I will reduce my supplement. I tend to not eat enough Vitamin A foods. The high potency foods just aren't my favorites. It is a natural dynamic of supply and demand. I've been taking 10,000 IU for over 25 years. I take it 5-6 days a week and skip a day.. at the advice of a nutritionist I respect. That skipping one day makes sure that there is no toxic build-up. My protein utilization is very good. No bloating, no stinky farts, scarring of wounds minimum, injuries heal quickly, hair very strong, muscles strong and respond quickly to added demands, Libido is just fine, too. LOL!!! Vitamins take more than a month to have lasting affects on any change in your health simply because your health needs change daily because each day is different. The body is in a constant changing dynamic of meeting the needs of each day. Some days you need more of certain nutrients, other days you do not. I posted this thread to remind us to consider if we are getting enough vitamin A and D in our low fat high protein diets. The Recommended Daily Dosage of Vitamin A is for the average person. Bodybuilders are not average persons in regards to the demands they make on their body. If you add to the mix the average day to day needs of antioxidants in our lives the need for Vitamin A increases. Fear of toxicity may keep us from getting the correct amount of Vitamin A that we need. Again, no one separate nutrient is the magic bullet. We need the proper balance of all nutrients in our bodies for efficient biochemical processes to take place. Any deficiency in any of the nutrients will cause a deficiency somewhere along the process; the body adapts to maintain life processes first and then any other process is secondary. My goal is to learn how to keep the deficiencies to the most minimum or nonexistent and thereby give my body the ability to do what it does best -- meeting the demands of the stress I put on it whatever it is, in this case adding lean muscle mass. I listen to my body. When I am in need of a particular nutrient, it will tell me what to eat since I've trained myself to know what nutrients are in what foods. That you lads are anywhere from 30 to 100 pounds or more than me with even more muscle mass than I have suggests to me that you need to eat beaucoup sweet potatoes, mangos, liver, or any other vitamin A foods. This is great if you are bulking, not so good if you are cutting. __________________ "21st century man is not conquered by guns, nor by oppression, but by seduction." "Pride to the human heart is like lard to the pig." Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn "The best punch is the one that is both first, last, and ends the fight." Last edited by Peg; 23-06-2006 at 02:49 PM.

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22-06-2006, 09:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
LondonGeezer Looking Freaky Join Date: May 2006 Location: South-East London Posts: 881	there is soooo much in bodybuilding its unbelievable.. take this for this effect BUT it has side effects so counter it with this.. which is toxic so slap in some of this n that n this n that.. loll its driving me crazy (just a wee bit) I have 1 Vitamin tablet daily, my protein shake contains 17-18 amino acids & BCAA's in it. and i have a codliver oil tablet daily aswell. the vitamin tablet i take is Sonatogen Gold A-Z. need something for my knee tho, it makes a crackling sound everytime i get up from a crouching position, my doc made fun of me and sed if it dont hurt, dont worry BUT its only 1knee, he said the cartilage is grinding and thats obviously not good.. i drink loads of water but no use its still worse then effer. im hoping the water retention from dbol will help

23-06-2006, 07:50 AM	#5 (permalink)
Tatyana My name is EARL Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On my bloody bike doing cardio Posts: 3,463	A is fat soluble, and with all the fat soluble vitamins you have to be careful! I think A is the worse to OD on as well. Loads of lads call themselves bodybuilders but don't always walk the walk! Moderation in everything is the best policy x x x T

23-06-2006, 12:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ironman Sculpting the masterpiece Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,464	I go through phases of taking lots of vitamins ( I could list them but its a canny few) and then through stages like now where I dont take any. The result - I neither feel any different - nor do I notice any difference in performance or gains. This is not to say that vitamins are not needed for bodily function etc but a good multivitamin pack will no doubt do the trick, i would imagine anyway, as dont forget we get most of what we need through the food that we eat.