Shakes/food During Workout? - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

Dudex · 06-02-2006, 04:00 PM

What do you guys drink/eat whilst you workout?

I normally just drink water, then shake after.

Ironman · 06-02-2006, 04:03 PM

Imo you should never eat or drink anything thats needs to be digested during a workout.

Im the same - I have a little water when training and pwo afterwoods.

RAIKEY · 06-02-2006, 04:15 PM

i always sip my pwo shake during my sesh.......down to about halfway then neck the rest striaght after.

it seems to keep me moving

might be a phyc thing but i feel with a long session the second body part is missing out a bit, thru tiredness......

so i do this, thinking the simple carbs,creatine,glutamine,and protien are being used when needed,

its made with water, so it dont feel too heavy either.

dunno !...just summat i,ve always done......

**Tinytom** · 06-02-2006, 04:42 PM

Water should be taken during a workout, or maybe at a push an electrolyte drink with BCAAs in.

Anything that facilitates a digestive process will force blood to the stomach limiting (in theory) your pumps/workout ability.

Raikey - far be it for me to tell you anything is wrong if it works for you but it will take about 30 minutes for those nutrients to exit your stomach so it won't really make a difference during the workout.

Personally I would have Glutamine and BCAAs before a workout. Creatine, Glucose and Protein after. This is due to absorption. Glutamine and BCAAs are best absorbed on an empty stomach or with some simple carbs, the presence of protein will impair this (Glutamine).

Creatine (monohydrate) takes about an hour to be absorbed as it has to travel to the lower intestine (I think) to be abosorbed by the body and I think I'm right in saying that some monohydrate doesn't get absorbed straight away and this leads to the cramping or other problems associated with monohydrate as the particles attract water to them. CEE is different in that it can be absorbed straight away due to an unique fat penetrating property? ( not sure on that one but I know it works for me).

Also Glucose or simple sugars are best taken after training not before because after training there is a specific need by the body to have these simple sugars to replenish glycogen stores. If you take glucose before a workout you are more likely to cause an Insulin spike which will result in low blood sugar just about the time you need energy in your workout - BAD.

There is also the possiblity that these simple sugars can be stored as fat as the body (if your diet is good) will have a topped up glycogen supply from all the complex carbs you have eaten with your lean protein that day and the day before remember glycogen replenishment can take up to 24 hours.

That's just my view on it.

RAIKEY · 06-02-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinytom

That's just my view on it.

and it looks like quite an informed veiw Mr Blackman sir...

i consider my hand well and truly smacked....

Doh......

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i think i'll stick to porn....(watching it , not making it)

DB · 06-02-2006, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RAIKEY

i think i'll stick to porn....(watching it , not making it)

fag

**Tinytom** · 07-02-2006, 12:12 AM

Raikey I wasn't slighting your methods.

There's a lot of difference between theory and application, if it works for you then don't change it.

**hackskii** · 07-02-2006, 04:45 AM

It makes sense to me to drink just water too but there needs both sides to come to a conclusion.

ChefX suggested the shake be drank some before, some during and some after, he was very adament about this, very.

Also L-glutamin is actually an Amino Acid, so I dont see how protein will impair absorption.
There are twenty amino acids found in proteins, glutamine being one of them.
I would think actually glutamin might be better with all the amino's together.

I myself like being kindof empty lifting. I hate to have anything in my stomach when I lift.
But Post workout I have read very good things for this.
Even stuff like half the protein requirement for the day can be taken in during Post Workout Shake.
Or, carbohydrates (within moderation) wont store as fat with PWO shake.
Those on a low carb diet will like this.
You get the benefits of replenishing glycogen stores and no conciquences of fat gain. I am going to have to do this.

Ironman · 07-02-2006, 10:25 AM

I think Ive asked this berfore - but pwo, if I have a carb drink that I can buy at the gym (simple sugars) this makes me feels sick and I lose my appetite for a couple of hours - Ive tried different ones so cant be just the make. So instead I blend a couple of bananas a tea spoon of honey couple of eggs and a couple of scoops of whey. Will this be effective as a post workout drink? With this drink I can eat a good meal with an hour of drinking it.

**Great White** · 07-02-2006, 10:37 AM

I drink about a litre of water during my workouts, then a shake about 10 minutes after.

**Tinytom** · 07-02-2006, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

It makes sense to me to drink just water too but there needs both sides to come to a conclusion.

ChefX suggested the shake be drank some before, some during and some after, he was very adament about this, very.

Also L-glutamin is actually an Amino Acid, so I dont see how protein will impair absorption.
There are twenty amino acids found in proteins, glutamine being one of them.
I would think actually glutamin might be better with all the amino's together.

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I think the reason why glutamine is taken separate is because the l-glutamine preparation can be absorbed by the stomach lining which has a high concentration of glutamine. Therefore I think the argument is that if it was just taken with water the body is tricked into gastric emptying very quickly (because no digestion is necessary) which would mean the majority would end up in the intestine and therefore more would be absorbed into the muscles. If you have L-glutaime with food or other proteins which require longer digestion times then the majority of the glutamine would be absorbed by the stomach lining and so would not make it to the muscles. The difference to this is peptide bonded glutamine which can survive in the stomach and so progress into the intestine intact.

Maybe Dougie can add to this, I was talking to him about it at the seminar.

**hackskii** · 07-02-2006, 04:41 PM

Damn, I just learned something.
Thanks Tom.

I wondered what the diffrence is with L-Glutamine and just Glutamine, I actually thought they were the same.
What is the "L" stand for?
Guess I can look it up

**Tinytom** · 07-02-2006, 04:47 PM

You can get L and D preparations of vitamins and aminos.

D-Alpha Tocapherol - Vit E

I believe that the D and L explain how the substance is bonded or something, I read an article about it a few months ago but it was a lot of chemistry/biology talk.

Supposedly the D versions of aminos are useless. I'll have to hunt for that article.

Lee · 07-02-2006, 05:11 PM

I like hackskii like to train on an empty stomach, using only water through out.

**robdog** · 07-02-2006, 09:41 PM

I have something to eat bout an hour before workout then a shake after.

06-02-2006, 04:00 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dudex Gym Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 120	Shakes/food During Workout? What do you guys drink/eat whilst you workout? I normally just drink water, then shake after.

06-02-2006, 04:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 6,062	Water should be taken during a workout, or maybe at a push an electrolyte drink with BCAAs in. Anything that facilitates a digestive process will force blood to the stomach limiting (in theory) your pumps/workout ability. Raikey - far be it for me to tell you anything is wrong if it works for you but it will take about 30 minutes for those nutrients to exit your stomach so it won't really make a difference during the workout. Personally I would have Glutamine and BCAAs before a workout. Creatine, Glucose and Protein after. This is due to absorption. Glutamine and BCAAs are best absorbed on an empty stomach or with some simple carbs, the presence of protein will impair this (Glutamine). Creatine (monohydrate) takes about an hour to be absorbed as it has to travel to the lower intestine (I think) to be abosorbed by the body and I think I'm right in saying that some monohydrate doesn't get absorbed straight away and this leads to the cramping or other problems associated with monohydrate as the particles attract water to them. CEE is different in that it can be absorbed straight away due to an unique fat penetrating property? ( not sure on that one but I know it works for me). Also Glucose or simple sugars are best taken after training not before because after training there is a specific need by the body to have these simple sugars to replenish glycogen stores. If you take glucose before a workout you are more likely to cause an Insulin spike which will result in low blood sugar just about the time you need energy in your workout - BAD. There is also the possiblity that these simple sugars can be stored as fat as the body (if your diet is good) will have a topped up glycogen supply from all the complex carbs you have eaten with your lean protein that day and the day before remember glycogen replenishment can take up to 24 hours. That's just my view on it. __________________ www.mosn.co.uk - supplements use code 'UKM 110' for extra discount www.performancehypnosis.co.uk - believe in change Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition.

07-02-2006, 12:12 AM	#7 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 6,062	Raikey I wasn't slighting your methods. There's a lot of difference between theory and application, if it works for you then don't change it. __________________ www.mosn.co.uk - supplements use code 'UKM 110' for extra discount www.performancehypnosis.co.uk - believe in change Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition.

07-02-2006, 04:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,456	It makes sense to me to drink just water too but there needs both sides to come to a conclusion. ChefX suggested the shake be drank some before, some during and some after, he was very adament about this, very. Also L-glutamin is actually an Amino Acid, so I dont see how protein will impair absorption. There are twenty amino acids found in proteins, glutamine being one of them. I would think actually glutamin might be better with all the amino's together. I myself like being kindof empty lifting. I hate to have anything in my stomach when I lift. But Post workout I have read very good things for this. Even stuff like half the protein requirement for the day can be taken in during Post Workout Shake. Or, carbohydrates (within moderation) wont store as fat with PWO shake. Those on a low carb diet will like this. You get the benefits of replenishing glycogen stores and no conciquences of fat gain. I am going to have to do this. __________________ Scott

07-02-2006, 04:41 PM	#12 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 24,456	Damn, I just learned something. Thanks Tom. I wondered what the diffrence is with L-Glutamine and just Glutamine, I actually thought they were the same. What is the "L" stand for? Guess I can look it up __________________ Scott

06-02-2006, 04:03 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ironman Sculpting the masterpiece Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,464	Imo you should never eat or drink anything thats needs to be digested during a workout. Im the same - I have a little water when training and pwo afterwoods.

06-02-2006, 04:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
RAIKEY Please do not feed the Raikey, it may bite.!! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deepest, Darkest , Yorkcestershire,...Ayup See thee!! Posts: 3,378	i always sip my pwo shake during my sesh.......down to about halfway then neck the rest striaght after. it seems to keep me moving might be a phyc thing but i feel with a long session the second body part is missing out a bit, thru tiredness...... so i do this, thinking the simple carbs,creatine,glutamine,and protien are being used when needed, its made with water, so it dont feel too heavy either. dunno !...just summat i,ve always done......

07-02-2006, 10:25 AM	#9 (permalink)
Ironman Sculpting the masterpiece Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,464	I think Ive asked this berfore - but pwo, if I have a carb drink that I can buy at the gym (simple sugars) this makes me feels sick and I lose my appetite for a couple of hours - Ive tried different ones so cant be just the make. So instead I blend a couple of bananas a tea spoon of honey couple of eggs and a couple of scoops of whey. Will this be effective as a post workout drink? With this drink I can eat a good meal with an hour of drinking it.

07-02-2006, 10:37 AM	#10 (permalink)
Great White Sexy Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 9,264	I drink about a litre of water during my workouts, then a shake about 10 minutes after.

07-02-2006, 04:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 6,062	You can get L and D preparations of vitamins and aminos. D-Alpha Tocapherol - Vit E I believe that the D and L explain how the substance is bonded or something, I read an article about it a few months ago but it was a lot of chemistry/biology talk. Supposedly the D versions of aminos are useless. I'll have to hunt for that article. __________________ www.mosn.co.uk - supplements use code 'UKM 110' for extra discount www.performancehypnosis.co.uk - believe in change Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition.

07-02-2006, 05:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
Lee Made in Liverpool Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Liverpool Posts: 1,047	I like hackskii like to train on an empty stomach, using only water through out.

07-02-2006, 09:41 PM	#15 (permalink)
robdog UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Home!! Posts: 5,833	I have something to eat bout an hour before workout then a shake after.

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