hovis

i was yold that EPA fish oil will help to lose bf. is this cod liver oil or somthing different?:withstupi thanx

Pscarb

Holland and Barret do a bargain on Fish Oils (this is what they are called)

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I believe that EPA is present in all fish oils but in the specific EPA from H&B it is more concentrated than in Cod Liver alone.

Also I have read that CLO can be toxic in high doses - I think due to the Vitamin D?

Hackskii will probably know the answer to this one he's the fats man

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hovis

thats intresting clo beining toxic(i have 1 at 8am & 1 at 1pm high strenth) but i dont think this is classed as a high dossage(or is it??)
anyway im off to h&b to get some EPA thanx

hackskii

Drop the cod liver oil, it is high in vitamin A and in large doses is toxic to the liver, it also stores there and you are looking for EFA's and fish oils are the highest in those.

Correct fish oils are high in EPA (Eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (Docosahheaenoic acid) and yes they are very good for fat loss.
I would also recomend adding some GLA (borage oil or Evening Primrose Oil)
They are an Omega 6 fatty acid so dont add too much of these.

You can also add some CLA:
CLA may help to limit the uptake of dietary fat by your fat cells. If your uptake is limited, the amount of fat deposited in the cell is reduced, and the size of your fat cells remains small. Other researchers propose that CLA may increase the ability of your body to burn fat.
Also CLA is a known cancer fighter and is very good to add to the fish oils.
A bit expensive but if you are trying to lose weight naturally then this is the place to go.

So take 6-12 fish oils a day with your meals.
Add some CLA with each meal.
GLA I would shoot for max 3 a day.

But if you cant afford all that then just bang the fish oils and drop those cod liver oils.

Vitamin A is found in carrots, tomatoes, and many other "red, yellow, and green" vegetables. As the retinol, vitamin A is found in oil of cod and other fish, egg yolks, cheese, liver, and butter.

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hovis

thanx.....lots of info,but wots CLA sorry to sound thick ......but i am lol wot do u think about clenbutomol?

hackskii

Conjugated Linoleic Acid, commonly referred to as CLA, and was first discovered in 1978 by Michael W. Pariza by accident. During an experiment while looking for the mutagen formations in meat during cooking, CLA was discovered. Much research has shown that CLA counterbalances the negative effect of Linoleic acid while regulating fat and protein metabolism. CLA improves food intake efficiency. In various controlled studies, animals that had diets supplemented with CLA showed an increase in protein (muscle tissue) and a significant decrease in fat.

CLA is a naturally occurring nutrient commonly found in beef, milk, cheese, turkey and lamb. To get enough CLA in your diet to make the changes significant, you would need to eat a considerable amount of the above foods. The high caloric risk of eating such fattening foods would off-set any possible loss in body fat due to CLA. On average you’d need about 5000 extra calories to obtain enough CLA to be of any benefit. Eating that much, of those foods, would be self defeating and introduce other health problems.

How does CLA work? Reading a bit about this, and not being a scientist myself, I could see that all the technical wording in the world won’t make much of a difference if you don’t understand the technical jargon. In a nutshell, CLA works to reduce body fat by enhancing insulin sensitivity so that fatty acids and glucose can pass thru muscle cell membranes and away from fat tissues. It doesn’t make a big fat cell get little. What it rather does is keep a little fat cell from getting bigger. –Michael Pariza

How much CLA do you really need to see some noticeable results? Again, most studies show that 3.4 grams of CLA per day is needed to obtain the beneficial effects of fat loss. CLA is a dietary supplement and does not require a prescription. So if your capsule contains 75% CLA and it’s 1000mg, then you would be getting 750mg of CLA and would need to take that capsule 5 times a day to reach the 3.4g levels which have been proven to be

CLA is a dietary supplement that has shown some impressive results in various controlled studies, at reducing body fat levels. The risks are minimal, if any, with most side effects being reported as “feeling green” or having occasional bloating. Part 2 of this series will be to take this supplement in its required 3.4grams per day and report on any side effects and any significant loss in body fat without increasing my metabolism.

3.4g or 3400mg of CLA that the studies show to be an effective dosage.

During my 2 months of taking 3.4g of CLA daily, I noticed no discomforts or unusual side effects. I drank approximately 1 gallon of water daily and only took CLA with food. My own visual inspections showed a slight loss of mass around the mid-section or at best, no significant gains.

From various other sites and research methods (message board posts, e-mail inquires, and similar studies), CLA seems to have great effects on animals but a 50-50 change on really making an impact on humans. Some people report huge changes, others report absolutely nothing. I seem to fall into the middle. In my situation, I believe there is some benefit from CLA as a dietary supplement.

Going into the gym, I was fully expecting some miracle. But I’ve been working out long enough to know, or should know, there is no magic pill. When the same method to test my bodyfat was used, I was hoping to see a big change. Or at least something on the meter that said something worked. Sadly, my bodyfat percentage was still 16.1%. Checking the calipers (not originally used to set a baseline) I was 17.1%. Seems CLA did not induce any weight loss.

But did CLA off-set any fat weight gain? After further reflections, and really questioning my diet and how things have changed over the last 2 months, there is a bit of hope for those needing a dietary supplement to help them lose some weight. As I previously stated, I would not add cardio or reduce my caloric intake. Those facts are not entirely true. While I did not do any cardio the last 2 months, I most certainly did up my caloric intake. In an attempt to gain weight, I have been eating quite well the last 3 weeks and tracking it.

This brings me to my own personal conclusion about CLA. I believe that it has helped me maintain my current bodyfat percentage and has made a difference in keeping the fat at bay while my caloric intake has significantly increased. While I’m eating a lot more, I’m not gaining any more fat. But I am slowly gaining weight. My workouts have not changed. Just my nutritional eating habits. CLA seems to me, to be a great additional as a dietary supplement to a regular routine of exercises that includes a balanced, monitored diet and the addition of cardiovascular work.

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hackskii

Clenbuterol is a bronchial dialater, commonly used for asthma patients.

Many people feel it is anticatabolic and a brown fat burner.
For those who are dieting they feel it is good for fat loss.

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hovis

HACKSKII.....you say you are not a scientist,you should be,is there anything u dont know. thanx

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hackskii

Yah, there are many things I dont know.

I just learned what a dove tail on some wood was.


I try (well I used to) learn one thing a day.
Whether it be about roids, herbs, food, meds, anything, just one thing a day.
The board makes me think and get challenged, so this is what I like to do.

But on the bad side, things you learn today are often corrected tommorrow.
Salt 100 years ago was thought to be absolutly necessary for life.
40 years ago It was considered bad.
Today, it is considered necessary.

Oh, I also learned about this:


So that is one thing today

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