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**hackskii** · 10-06-2004, 09:33 PM

I have been doing a lot of reading on cortisol an catabolism. Cortisol post cycle can eat up some of those hard earned gains on cycle. There is some natural cortisol suppression and thought to share this with you. Found in a book so I though I would type it up.

Natural post cycle tips.
Eating a broccoli 4 times a day (about a pound total) for some estrogen control. Adding 15,000 mg of Tribulas Terrestris daily (45% samponin content) can also ramp up LH levels some.
This in black is bad information, I am leaving it here instead of editing it just to show how things change with some good old common sense.....lol I have found trib to be absolutly worthless for PCT.Several OTC products contain phosphatidlserine. At a dosage of 800 mg daily phosphatidlserine is said to inhibit about 30% of cortisol production/activity, which is a start.

7-isopropoxyisoflavone (ipriflavone) is a weak partitioning agent that inhibits cortisol’s effects at the cellular level. About 1000 mg daily is necessary. 5-methyl-7-methoxyisoflavone is more potent than 7-isopropoxyisoflavone. It inhibits cortisol activity, and to some extent, its accumulation to a greater degree. Again about 1000 mg daily is necessary and works best when stacked with 7-iso. Interesting fact is that due to its molecule structure, 5-methyl does have some aromatase inhibitive value as well.

This is really cool here. I did not know why bodybuilders took so much vitamin C so here goes.

Vitamin-C, 1000 mg 3 times daily also inhibits cortisol formation. Ephedrine at a dosage of 25 mg-50 mg three times daily significantly inhibited catabolic activity when it was stacked with any other cortisol inhibiting goodie.

It takes a great deal of water to remove catabolic waste. A good daily multi-vitamin/mineral was a must. 15-50 grams of glutamine daily reduced protein loss (divided into 3-5 even dosages). Peptide glutamine is said to be best.

Ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate (OKG) treatment decreases muscle protein catabolism and/or increases synthesis, according to the metabolic situation. The anti-catabolic effect might not be from OKG alone. OKG increases the plasma concentrations of, for example, arginine, leucine, isoleucine, tyrosine, glutamine, proline, and ornithine. There are several studies that show these amino acids to have anabolic properties; hence, the anti-catabolic effect.

Clenbuterol too except we are not talking about prescription drugs at this time.

The effectiveness of any OTC product was highly dependant upon dosage and quality.

I will update this later when I find out more on blocking cortisol during and post cycle.

I did buy some cortislim from the internet and will be using this post cycle. It is also non prescription too. Supposed to block cortisol.

Cytadren is a prescription drug for inhibiting cortisol but I cant seem to get my hands on any so I think I will go the natural rout.

I will update this when I find more natural ways of doing post cycle therapy.
I wanted to focus on cortisol first before the Anti-E's and other estrogens.

winger · 10-06-2004, 09:59 PM

Imagine that eating broccoli would be so good for that. I know a lot of bodybuilders who eat broccoli and never put the two together. So if you could block the cortisol you would always be anabolic like gear just not as much.

**hackskii** · 11-06-2004, 01:43 PM

I will update this as I go along.

**hackskii** · 09-11-2005, 11:02 PM

Bump, forgot about this

Captain Hero · 10-11-2005, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

I have been doing a lot of reading on cortisol an catabolism. Cortisol post cycle can eat up some of those hard earned gains on cycle. There is some natural cortisol suppression and thought to share this with you. Found in a book so I though I would type it up.

Natural post cycle tips.
Eating a broccoli 4 times a day (about a pound total) for some estrogen control. Adding 15,000 mg of Tribulas Terrestris daily (45% samponin content) can also ramp up LH levels some.

Several OTC products contain phosphatidlserine. At a dosage of 800 mg daily phosphatidlserine is said to inhibit about 30% of cortisol production/activity, which is a start.

7-isopropoxyisoflavone (ipriflavone) is a weak partitioning agent that inhibits cortisol’s effects at the cellular level. About 1000 mg daily is necessary. 5-methyl-7-methoxyisoflavone is more potent than 7-isopropoxyisoflavone. It inhibits cortisol activity, and to some extent, its accumulation to a greater degree. Again about 1000 mg daily is necessary and works best when stacked with 7-iso. Interesting fact is that due to its molecule structure, 5-methyl does have some aromatase inhibitive value as well.

This is really cool here. I did not know why bodybuilders took so much vitamin C so here goes.

Vitamin-C, 1000 mg 3 times daily also inhibits cortisol formation. Ephedrine at a dosage of 25 mg-50 mg three times daily significantly inhibited catabolic activity when it was stacked with any other cortisol inhibiting goodie.

It takes a great deal of water to remove catabolic waste. A good daily multi-vitamin/mineral was a must. 15-50 grams of glutamine daily reduced protein loss (divided into 3-5 even dosages). Peptide glutamine is said to be best.

Ornithine alpha-ketoglutarate (OKG) treatment decreases muscle protein catabolism and/or increases synthesis, according to the metabolic situation. The anti-catabolic effect might not be from OKG alone. OKG increases the plasma concentrations of, for example, arginine, leucine, isoleucine, tyrosine, glutamine, proline, and ornithine. There are several studies that show these amino acids to have anabolic properties; hence, the anti-catabolic effect.

Clenbuterol too except we are not talking about prescription drugs at this time.

The effectiveness of any OTC product was highly dependant upon dosage and quality.

I will update this later when I find out more on blocking cortisol during and post cycle.

I did buy some cortislim from the internet and will be using this post cycle. It is also non prescription too. Supposed to block cortisol.

Cytadren is a prescription drug for inhibiting cortisol but I cant seem to get my hands on any so I think I will go the natural rout.

I will update this when I find more natural ways of doing post cycle therapy.
I wanted to focus on cortisol first before the Anti-E's and other estrogens.

Hacks, is cortisol the hormone that is released when you get stressed, theo ne that breaks down muscle?

damagedgoods · 10-11-2005, 09:06 AM

and should you only take supps to inhibit cortisol production whneyou are off-cycle?

the_gre8t_1ne · 10-11-2005, 09:33 AM

good read, but i wouldn't mind if it was dumbed down a lil!

i get brocali helps, but wouldn't mind a simple bullet points showing yuo what supps/foods are needed to stop cortisol

**hackskii** · 10-11-2005, 03:57 PM

The Adrenal Gland is what produces cortisol.
During (twards the end) a cycle cortisol gets pretty high.
The body is trying to get away from being anabolic.
Coritsol, estrogen, are the bodies way of trying to combat what you are doing to try to get back to homeostasis (ballance).

After a cycle the adrenal gland can get kindof burned out.
DHEA also comes from the adrenal gland and this probably should be supplemented after a cycle too.
So keeping cortisol in check would be a good thing after a cycle to minimise muscle loss due to low test levels.

Cortisol is involved in the metabolism of carbohydrates, fat, and protein.
So blocking it totally would not be good.
But keeping stress levels would be probably one of the best things you can do to keep cortisol in check along with a good diet.

MXD · 27-05-2008, 02:04 PM

Fish oils, vit c, dhea, and rhodiola rosea are all good.

packard · 07-06-2008, 01:14 AM

wot about mirtazapine cant that lower cortisol.

stone14 · 08-06-2008, 10:46 AM

i used to use this with pct "phosphatidlserine" but read that it is old school and there are better otc supps now, altho dont no what these better supps are?

thestudbeast · 08-06-2008, 11:07 AM

Cortisol is not nessaseraly a bad thing, in fact it's essential for the body and it's used to break down fat also, so without it you'd be a fatty.

This topic needs to be broken down into two parts as for the natural blocking cortisol is only ever nessasery in the late afternoon and post workout. The morning may be the biggest cortisol release but this is matched by your body's largest testosterone release so it's nothing to worry about.

The problem occours when due to stress you get evening and night time cortisol release. If you have trouble sleeping (and your already supplementing magnesium) then this may well be your problem. Too low cortisol is also a real problem, if your tired and groggy even after a good nights sleep then your getting close to adrenal burnout and need to take action fast.

There are supplements that can help, plus life style changes and changes in attitude are nessasery. Now cortisol and AAS use is a whole different matter and I'm wondering why Cissus has not got mentioned yet, it's unique as a supplement in that it blocks the cortisol receptor rather than lowering cortisol.

**hackskii** · 08-06-2008, 05:58 PM

I didnt know that about cissus, it is also a natural analgesic.

I bought this in bulk and have a kelo laying around.
Might be a good time to pull out the capper.

TH&S · 08-06-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

Adding 15,000 mg of Tribulas Terrestris daily (45% samponin content) can also ramp up LH levels some.

Are you sure about that Hacks?

**hackskii** · 08-06-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by TH&S

Are you sure about that Hacks?

Oh hell no, this must be an old post.
Trib is garbage and does nothing for LH.
Thanks for pointing my mistake out, that is bad information and that guy should be banned, tarred and feathered......Oh wait, lets not get so hasty....lol

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hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,483	The Adrenal Gland is what produces cortisol. During (twards the end) a cycle cortisol gets pretty high. The body is trying to get away from being anabolic. Coritsol, estrogen, are the bodies way of trying to combat what you are doing to try to get back to homeostasis (ballance). After a cycle the adrenal gland can get kindof burned out. DHEA also comes from the adrenal gland and this probably should be supplemented after a cycle too. So keeping cortisol in check would be a good thing after a cycle to minimise muscle loss due to low test levels. Cortisol is involved in the metabolism of carbohydrates, fat, and protein. So blocking it totally would not be good. But keeping stress levels would be probably one of the best things you can do to keep cortisol in check along with a good diet. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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hackskii Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 22,483	Re: cortisol and catabolism fighting cortisol naturally. I didnt know that about cissus, it is also a natural analgesic. I bought this in bulk and have a kelo laying around. Might be a good time to pull out the capper. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.