crazycacti

i normally agree with the hackman twins - and that doesn't change, esp with the food is best point... the thermogenic effect of food, when compared to shakes, is much greater, for example...

i also think eggs are the daddy, and often over looked - perfect food for all of us ;)

however i do disagree with the amount of protein guys... i get in 300g easy in a day - 250g of this coming from meat, eggs and fish....

when dieting especially, i feel it is imperitive to whack the protein up to prevent catabolism....

when bulking protein should still be kept high, but not as high because your carbs will be going up, but i'm still talking 300g for me and i'm 230 lbs atm...

hackskii

I just had a ground beef patty with cheese, garlic and season salt and man was that tasty.
I have 6 meals a day and all of the contain protein, except for my cheat meal last night which was pizza and I kind of went out of control on that.
It was sooooo good I could not stop myself.
Pizza is my one downfall in food.
Even the smell of it drives me bananna's.
I moan when I eat pizza.

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hackskii

Many people feel this way.
I used to too until I read this by Bill Phillips: http://www.musclemedia.com/training/abcde/v61_abc4.asp

Very long read but read about the protein and enzymes that are associated with the breakdown of protein.
Seems that very high doses of protein dont work like cycling the protein. More is not better and more is better for short runs but constantly run high has no benefits over lower consumption.

Here is a small snip:
The consequence of this is that if you habitually consume a high-protein diet, you are setting off multiple "adaptations" and alterations in how your body metabolizes protein—it influences your protein requirement.18,19 In other words, the more protein you ingest, the more you need! This may not sound so bad for a protein lover, but think twice and you will see its downside. Eventually, you will need such a high protein intake in order to generate the positive effects that health problems could occur.
Another consideration is a large amount of protein supplements could be necessary to meet the extraordinary protein requirement you've built up.
And, perhaps most importantly, if you develop this need for a high amount of protein and you miss a meal or during your long overnight fast [the time you don't eat while you're sleeping], your body is quickly thrown into a protein catabolic state. You literally have to eat protein every few hours in order to not go "catabolic."

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crazycacti

i've read that too bro....

i also agree with cycling the protein, as well as everything else, such as vits ect...

imo (i know Tom Blackman also believes this...) the body grows in spurts... this is one way in which you can tie in cycling the protein...

hackskii

But consumption of high protein all the time up's the requirement for more protein.

Its like drinking.
If you do it only once and a while just a few drinks gets you hammered. You drink every day then it takes much more to get the same effect.
This is controlled by enzymes, same as the protein issue is controlled by enzymes.

Like dieting, restrict the cals then the body loses weight up untill a point, then the body adjustes and weight loss is halted.

It is all relative.

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crazycacti

aye....

refeed days when dieting....

'defeed' days when bulking...

this is bang on what i do.... working well at the moment

hackskii

Well, I am on a cycle of test and igf right now and I seem to be gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time.
How cool is that?
I love how I feel on test.
Man, went out last night and I find myself much more aggressive with the chicks.
Talking to this fat one last night and she is a nympho, I had wood talking to her and she is massive
Got a hair cut yesterday and was flirting with this asian lady that has cut my hair for around 3 years and she is older than me but looks good for her age and it was like she was taking the bait too.
Then at the bar the waitress (which is taller than me) said something about me asking her for her phone number.
I was all arrogent and said if I wanted her number I would ask and she will give it to me.
She was taken back my me being so fwd and confident.

Man, I love testosterone, I feel like massive sexual desires on cycle.
I remember being like that when I was young but not at 46, soon to be 47
Its strange.

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crazycacti

i know what you mean there bud!

its just the close to tears PCT feeling i don't like (3 weeks in now :( lol!)

hackskii

I know what you mean.
But if you have a good plan in place this is the best you can hope for.
Nothin like a good game plan I say.

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winger

There is a guy at the gym I go to named Arial. He is this short Filipino looking guy. He is probably about 5'4" tall and weighs in at about 150 lbs. He is so shreaded and probably pound for pound the strongest guy in the gym.
He is 100% vegitarian. He eats no meats, fish, foul or eggs.
He also does dips and pullups everywork.
In my opinion he over trains and doesn't take in enough protein but he obviously is doing somthing right.
He always looks the same and he doesn't do any gear. It's a mystery to say the least.
I should snap a pic of him you guys would trip out.

Crazycacti, good luck on your pct mate! ;)

LondonGeezer

definatly winger i'd like to see this picture.. is he slapping in 20shakes a day along with his pods & peas? lol

winger

No shakes eather. The guy is amazing.
He does seated 100 lb db's for military. I cant even swing the hundreds up yet alone military them.
I see him about 3-4 times a week and I will snap a pic for sure. ;)

LondonGeezer

damn.. filipino u say.. it brings a thought to mind. I had a mate who did no gym work.. drank like a horse and ate like a pig, smoked weed and cigerettes like there wos no tomorow.. yeh if i gave him a dumbell with 24kg on it he'd curl it.. he got 8reps from a 24kg dumbell and EXCELLENT movement.. didnt lean back to bring it up completely straight.. strained on the last few but that's expected.. and you wont believe the best bit.. he's 17 in october. this goes about 6months back he curled 24kg in my room and i wos like :O
now he's quit smoking, quit drugs & alcohol and bought himself a home gym.. i saw him last week (we dont talk nemore) he is bigg. wish i had that natural strength stuff :(

hackskii

I know this guy; he looks totally awesome and shredded. Asian of some sort.
Super strong and looks awesome.
Great genetics.

He is a vegetarian. I think, I don’t like his routine, I don’t like his diet, but this dude looks awesome.
Kind of resets what you think or preach.

Maybe just maybe all that other stuff does not matter and his genetics keep him for what he does, tip top?

I think I know more than him but what if I swapped bodies with him, can I improve upon his physique?
Hell, maybe not.
Maybe he has super high testosterone levels with great genetics?
I don’t have high testosterone and I don’t have good genetics either.
Strange…..

What if?

Makes me wonder none the less.
I am happy with my body, I think this is a good thing.
Sorry guys, it is Saturday and I have hoisted a few…….well, that was kind of a lie.
Ok, a few and a few and quite possibly a few more…..oh dear, its ok I am having a good time.





17 is super young.
I was not strong at 17, hell I was not strong till like 25.
Even later around 30-35 I actually got stronger.
I was a late bloomer, I didnt start shaving till about 21
He is too young to smoke or drink.
At least he turned himself around, this is a good thing.
Take a pic of that dude, id like to see it.
I will post pics soon of my old, fat, ass:(

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winger

Genetics are everything. ;)
Saturday night and I am hoisting as well, I dont post unless I have hoisted a few................