Peg

I do know that it is important healthwise to have the glycogen stores in the liver at an adequate level as an energy source before work-out. I do know that we want to burn the fat and not the muscle when we are working out. When exactly does the process go from glycogen to fat burning?

I know for my MA classes I need to have complex carbs one hour and a half before class or I will get dizzy in the middle of class and not be able to go all out. It is the same with my weight training.

Too much protein on my stomach and my training is no good.
If I miss a meal in the morning, my training later is no good.

Since I am not competing and I am not wanting bulk, I will listen to my body and it tells me what I need and when I need.

I find that it is no one part of the diet, ie, PWO drink, that is critical.
I find that it is the whole day's intake of nutrients that makes a difference.
If you fudge on one part, the other parts are affected.

I find that sometimes we forget the whole picture and just focus on one aspect of it similarly to saying vitamin C will help keep us from getting sick.
It is only one part of the whole process that the body uses to keep the body healthy.

So to is the PWO drink before and after.

The body eats before it needs the nutrition for the energy it needs.
Think about infants. They go through "fat" stages getting ready for an increase in their growth stages...

Interesting article, Winger. Thank you!

Tinytom: having something during work-out seems a reasonable thing if the body is needing more energy. Do you feel hungry or is there a sense that you need to have carbs, water or protein. Isolate, is that already protein that is partially broken down for fast absorption? I'm still trying to get all the terminology straight in my mind.

Do you have a sense from your body that it is wanting protein? My body tells me "sugar' water in the middle of my work out.

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winger

I eat a ballanced meal of proteins, fats and carbs before training about 1.5 hours before I train.
For me, and it might be only me, but that is the sweet spot.
If I eat late which I dont do, I dont get a good pump and actually I dont feel like I got full energy.
I train hard and fast, kind of like how I like my sex............lol.

IMO, if you are training for hours then you might need more quick food to sustain your workout. But then again if you are training for hours a day you are waisting your time and energy that could be spent for recuperation.

Peg

The human body is a complex interdependent machine of awesome efficiency and beauty.

I tend to look for the patterns in nature and follow them. Have you ever noticed the seasons and the different foods that occur in the different seasons??? I think there is a reason for that occurance.
Our bodies benefit from those cyclic seasonal changes.

1. The human body prepares for change. Watch how an infant goes through phases of eating and not eating during growth spurts and non growth spurts.
Our children get fat when we ignore these spurts and force them to eat when the body is not hungry.

2. The human body uses that preparation to continue it's function during and after the change.

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It has always been a staple for me to prepare for demand on the body.
In the preparation, the body has what it needs to endure and recover from the demand.

Common sense and the observations of nature suggest that it is more important to have a complex carbohydrate protein shake with sufficient antioxidants and protein BEFORE the workout to give the body what it needs.

PWO - I listen to my body as it prepares for the next demand on it.
I usually am not hungry right after the work out. I am incredibly thirsty and sugar hungry. I drink a powerade or water...
Sometimes I am protein hungry as well. I eat a handful or two of mixed nuts. Now this goes against the grain of no fats after workout... but I need fat for the vitamin A that is in my body and I need those B vitamins and zinc for biochemical energy to repair and restore.

I don't eat a post work out meal until about one hour after a work-out simply because my body does not tell me I'm hungry for substantial food until then.

I must trust my body to know what it needs.
I must fill my mind with knowledge of what foods contain what nutrients and train my mind to associate those foods with what my body says it needs.
When I do that successfully, I lose weight, have energy, and have powerful workouts that accomplish the change I seek.

With so much conflicting research and so many variables that can affect the outcome of that research, I will remember to focus on the whole picture of health and not just one aspect of it.
The body knows.
Learn its rhythms and seasons and work with it.

We tend to work in the deficit, when the body wants to work with the plus.

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Captain Hero

LOL at Tinytim, Peg Tiny Tim was the dying boy in a muppets christmas carol

LondonGeezer

still.. in the article it said.. The multiple drink method can only be used when fast proteins or amino acids are consumed. It just doesn’t work with intermediate speed proteins.

saying this then.. to have a pre-workout protein drink and then a post-workout protein drink and then maybe another throughout the day and the next morning just wont hack being efficient enough as using the faster protein and we'll be wasting valuable "open window" time.

so stick to just the pre-workout and post-workout shake? and pre-workout and post-workout meals..?? no point in morning shakes because its not as effective or will it still have some effect?

because all of the protein shakes ive come across are WHEY PROTEIN, this is the first time ive heard of that faster protein.

hackskii

I think you would be better off using diffrent whole food selections for your main sources of protein.

I do notice I have some stinky breath with whey protein

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LondonGeezer

yehhh!! i just bougth this tub of optimum nutrition 100% whey last week and after a shake my mouth goes all dry and sticky and moments later if i dont brush or rinse my mouth or do SOMETHING it gets sticky on the lips and thats wen u kno uh-ohhh lol

winger

If I have said it once I will say it again.
I have yet to see what man can copy what God has perfected.
I dont drink pre/post work out shakes, just eat at the right window and you will be fine. ;)

LondonGeezer

Winger do you not use protein shakes at all? if you can cram in all the proteins from eating food then your far ahead mate..

winger

No shakes, unless I have to skip a meal.
We were given teeth for a reason. The more you have to chew the leaner (generalization) you will be. Why does everything have to be so fast? Fast food......get my point?
I am not directing it towards you, I just think that the magazines and the supplement companies want people to believe it works......of course, it puts cash in their pockets. :smoke:

LondonGeezer

no no ur absolutely spot on there mate..!! fair enuff protein shakes DO work but its the quicker route AND easier route to digest more proteins.. what is your average protein intake? do you follow the rule of 1.5g protein p/1lb of bodyweight? its a bit of an unrealistic target to be reaching if your not having shakes.

but i never hit 231g of protein a day.. i hit around 170-180g a day and im making very good gains and 180g a day is possible with 6meals and no shakes.. i just slack my meals knowing i can make it up with a shake later. (2-3 shakes max p/day @ 24g protein each)

Peg

LOL!!! I'm sleep deprived and having a blonde moment.
Forgive me Tinytom

Cap: You like the muppets??? I love 'em, one and all.

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winger

I actually take in about 30 grams of protein for 3 meals and 20 gram of protein for the other two meals.
So thats 130 grams of protein for a 200lb man.
I dont really think anyone can digest more than about 50 grams a sitting, but I bet it is even less than that.Also Tinytim sang, "Tiptoe through the Tulips".

hackskii

I take in around 180 grams and I am 183 lbs. this morning.

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LondonGeezer

yeah so really if we keep dead strict diets it can be done without the shakes but seriously talking id go mad having 20/30g protein p/meal for more then 2weeks lol. Shakes make it possible