Bill Starr's Intermediate 5x5 - Page 2 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

**big** · 28-02-2008, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by d@n

someone should tell ronnie coleman & every (and i mean every) big bloke i have ever seen train.
im not trying to say its rubbish or bill starr dosnt now what he is on about, im sure it is good at what it was designed to do and that was to improve strength power and add some mass for sports people, but for maximum growth the split routine which every pro bber has used for the last 40-50 years is best .
honestly are you telling me that jay cutler could be a better bber if he was squatting 3x a week and doing power cleans? im sure someone will start banging about gear or genes but these people i have used as examples have taken there physiques to the limit of what is possible and whatever the argument thay couldnt of done that on the bill starr routine and thats not what he intended it to do.
if you had said it was better at improving your power if your doing alot of other cardio type stuff like rugby then i would of agreed with you but, for everything i can agree with you.

Have you actually tried this routine yourself?

On a side note, plenty of 'bodybuilders' have used multiple squat sessions a week for periods - including Arnie. And plenty of massive guys, such as Mariusz hit squats numerous times a week (I think he does 4 squat sessions a week in total) if you feel the need to name drop.

Would Cutler/Coleman/etc have gotten better results by running a periodised program? Who knows. But I'm assuming the original poster isn't of Coleman's standard, or he wouldn't be asking for advice.

If you are happy with your standard split bodybuilding routine, that's great, stick with it. But the primary reason why people go onto internet boards to ask advise is because they are already doing a standard split bodybuilding routine, and it just isn't working for them. For these people (who represent the vast majority), they really ought to try a Starr/Pendlay/etc style routine and see what happens. Because most people who try it, love the results.

chrisj22 · 28-02-2008, 09:07 PM

Of course, it isn't meant for a bodybuilder to do for a long period of time, as bodybuilders & strength athletes want different things.

You can't argue that Bill Starr/Pendlay/Rippletoe routines don't work, because they've been going for longer than any bodybuilding split routine - we're talking nearly 60 years here.

It is proven to have increased strength for american footballers, powerlifters, the lot. I was scared of the change doing it, but I didn't do an arm curl for about 6 months & still added about half an inch just by blasting my back as the routine suggests.

It really is an amazing programme. I'd recommend anyone to try it.

d@n · 28-02-2008, 09:24 PM

that was sort of the point i was trying to make chris.i was trying to make the point its not a magic routine thats better then anything else out there.

**big** · 28-02-2008, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d@n

that was sort of the point i was trying to make chris.i was trying to make the point its not a magic routine thats better then anything else out there.

For some people it is, for others it isn't. Nobody is trying to say you will become Ronnie Coleman in 3 months if you do this routine.

All anyone can do is actually try it and see how they get on.

For most people struggling on "standard" bodybuilding routines, I bet they will find this sort of routine magic in comparison

Jock · 28-02-2008, 09:41 PM

Bill Starr is a strength coach his programs are not intended to be for bodybuilding.

**big** · 28-02-2008, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Jock

Bill Starr is a strength coach his programs are not intended to be used for bodybuilding.

Tell that to the many bodybuilders who have gains heaps of mass from his routines

TH&S · 28-02-2008, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big

Have you actually tried this routine yourself?

On a side note, plenty of 'bodybuilders' have used multiple squat sessions a week for periods - including Arnie. And plenty of massive guys, such as Mariusz hit squats numerous times a week (I think he does 4 squat sessions a week in total) if you feel the need to name drop.

Would Cutler/Coleman/etc have gotten better results by running a periodised program? Who knows. But I'm assuming the original poster isn't of Coleman's standard, or he wouldn't be asking for advice.

If you are happy with your standard split bodybuilding routine, that's great, stick with it. But the primary reason why people go onto internet boards to ask advise is because they are already doing a standard split bodybuilding routine, and it just isn't working for them. For these people (who represent the vast majority), they really ought to try a Starr/Pendlay/etc style routine and see what happens. Because most people who try it, love the results.

You have been repped for this. Well said.

Jock · 29-02-2008, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big

Tell that to the many bodybuilders who have gains heaps of mass from his routines

I agree but his foundation is in strength training for sports not bodybuilding although there is obviously some crossover.

:lift:

invisiblekid · 29-02-2008, 04:55 PM

The 3rd day looks like a killer!

Very seriously thinking about giving this a go.

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