Insulin - Page 3 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

**Tinytom** · 08-05-2006, 09:30 PM

Any drug can be harmful if abused.

I'm not advocating Insulin use, in fact I think it shouldn't be used by anyone.

However the reality of top level sports is that risks are taken to become the best.

I hope you've been on a pro-cyclist site and had a go at the EPO packers.

And a sprinting site to talk about THG

and what about a pie eating site for self loathing fat plums that can't be bothered to do more than walk up a flight of stairs - probably to get more pies from the store room.

There are plenty of diabetics who aren't fat. You're just lazy.

All top level sports have some level of drug use so wake up.

Oh forgot to add - if you exercise with weights the insulin receptor balance shifts to the muscles so you can actually get quite a good physique. However you'll never get this cos you're a waster by your own admission.

BIG-UNC · 09-05-2006, 06:04 AM

some said he'd fallen over the other day mate se he'll be half way to scotland by now!! aparantly he rolls for miles when he falls!

John · 09-05-2006, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tinytom

However you'll never get this cos you're a waster by your own admission.

lol tell it like it is Tom, jeez im glad were friends.

Fat Man · 12-05-2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pscarb

Fat Man you have everything in your post wrong....you get fat from insulin when your diet is bad not because you don't exercise it is obvious that you are a bitter man and also someone who needs to look at both his diet and training.
if you are 305lbs at 5'6" then i would think about stop eating all the pies and stop coming on a forum like this one when it is obvious you have no intention of adding constructive information to any discussion.....

First of all, I DO NOT eat pies or any junk foods. I avoid them because I'm diabetic. You assume tha all fat people load up on sweets. Well, I don't.

I eat mostly vegetables, and fresh fruit, and I exercise every day. I would like to get back to pumping iron again as I did when I was younger, and I guess that since I am diabetic, then I could use the insulin to my advantage.

I've been fortunate that dispite my obesity, my blood pressuer is normal at 110/70, and my cholesterol is only 100 with an HDL of 40 and an LDL of 60, and my triglycerides are only 70. Actually my cholesterol is too low. I've been told that is should not be less than 160, and having it too low can bring on symptoms of anxiety and depression.

So, I'm actually afraid to lose weight, because I'm scared to death the my cholesterol will drop to dangerously low levels.

It's just that I get concerned when I hear the people who are NOT diabetics are using insulin, and having extra insulin in your bodies can cause you to become insulin resistant, leading to becoming diabetic.

What ever you do, just try to be careful!

Okey dokey? :lift:

crazycacti · 12-05-2006, 11:03 AM

imo it sounds as if your testosterone levels are very low...

i'd get that checked out ;)

**hackskii** · 12-05-2006, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Man

First of all, I DO NOT eat pies or any junk foods. I avoid them because I'm diabetic. You assume tha all fat people load up on sweets. Well, I don't.

I eat mostly vegetables, and fresh fruit, and I exercise every day. I would like to get back to pumping iron again as I did when I was younger, and I guess that since I am diabetic, then I could use the insulin to my advantage.

I've been fortunate that dispite my obesity, my blood pressuer is normal at 110/70, and my cholesterol is only 100 with an HDL of 40 and an LDL of 60, and my triglycerides are only 70. Actually my cholesterol is too low. I've been told that is should not be less than 160, and having it too low can bring on symptoms of anxiety and depression.

So, I'm actually afraid to lose weight, because I'm scared to death the my cholesterol will drop to dangerously low levels.

It's just that I get concerned when I hear the people who are NOT diabetics are using insulin, and having extra insulin in your bodies can cause you to become insulin resistant, leading to becoming diabetic.

What ever you do, just rey to be careful!

Okey dokey? :lift:

Hey bro, there are a few things that can aid in your condition that most people dont know about.
First of all great on the fruits and vegetables, that is excellant for aiding in pushing twards being insulin resistant twards insulin sensitivity, which is preferred.

Next, restance training/weights allow you to become more insulin sensitive, this is one reason why guys use insulin post workout with carbs and protein, although I bring this up as an indicator to aid in diabetes as circulation problems and insulin are a big deal with diabetics.
Omega 3's are super good for lowering insulin resistance, that and exercise will allow less insulin to be used in the body, less storage of bodyfat due to reduced insulin use and for inflammation, fish oils are one of the strongest anti-inflammatory foods known to man.

Also, I would eat eggs and meats too, although there is some indication that saturated fats can increase insulin resistance, meat is actually just half saturated 46% to be exact, high in zinc, iron, b-vitamins and it is actually a good idea for a protein source.
Adding that with all the above, this could quite possibly aid in fat loss and improve your cholesterol issues.
After all low cholesterol is associated with lower testosterone levels, lower testosterone levels are associated with less than optomum blood sugar regulation as well.

Eating smaller more frequent meals that combine protein, fats (especially Omega 3's) and low GI carbs (fruits and vegetables) is an outstanding way to aid in the control of diabetes.
I have several friends with the same conditon as you, it can get ugly.

Good luck and if you already know all these things then cool, I just thought I would toss some information out there.

**Pscarb** · 12-05-2006, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Man

First of all, I DO NOT eat pies or any junk foods. I avoid them because I'm diabetic. You assume tha all fat people load up on sweets. Well, I don't.

And you assume that all Bodybuilders who decide to use Insulin are idiots and are going to be diabetics so why is me assuming you eat pies any different from your assumptions about bodybuilders and insulin??

granted there are a few guys who will take just about anything to attain the perfect physique but we on this board like to arm all our members with the knowledge so they can use substances like Slin more safely and that is a much better approach than just preaching to everyone.

Fat Man · 13-05-2006, 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

Hey bro, there are a few things that can aid in your condition that most people dont know about.

First of all great on the fruits and vegetables, that is excellant for aiding in pushing twards being insulin resistant twards insulin sensitivity, which is preferred.

Next, restance training/weights allow you to become more insulin sensitive, this is one reason why guys use insulin post workout with carbs and protein, although I bring this up as an indicator to aid in diabetes as circulation problems and insulin are a big deal with diabetics. Omega 3's are super good for lowering insulin resistance, that and exercise will allow less insulin to be used in the body, less storage of bodyfat due to reduced insulin use and for inflammation, fish oils are one of the strongest anti-inflammatory foods known to man.

Also, I would eat eggs and meats too, although there is some indication that saturated fats can increase insulin resistance, meat is actually just half saturated 46% to be exact, high in zinc, iron, b-vitamins and it is actually a good idea for a protein source. Adding that with all the above, this could quite possibly aid in fat loss and improve your cholesterol issues.

After all low cholesterol is associated with lower testosterone levels, lower testosterone levels are associated with less than optomum blood sugar regulation as well.

Eating smaller more frequent meals that combine protein, fats (especially Omega 3's) and low GI carbs (fruits and vegetables) is an outstanding way to aid in the control of diabetes. I have several friends with the same conditon as you, it can get ugly.

Good luck and if you already know all these things then cool, I just thought I would toss some information out there.

WOW! You say that low cholesterol is associated with lower testosterone levels!!!

No wonder I'm not very Macho! Some people I have known in the past has referred to me as a "big fat docile wimp", and in the past I have been easily taken advandtage of.

Basically I'm a very gentle and soft spoken person, with an easy going laid back attitude toward life in general. But that does not necessarilly make one a winp.

I also understand that low testosterone levels can contribute to obesity, increasing the percentage of body fat while causing a loss of muscle mass. Now that is bad news!

But I didn't know that low cholesterol could cause low testosterone levels.

I have a doctor's appointment coming up on Monday May 22, and I'm going to talk to her about having my testosterone levels checked.

Also my body temperature is lower than normal, an average of 97.4 instead of the normal 98.6, and when my temperature is at 98.1 to me it feel like a mild low grade fever since I'm use to having my body at a lower temperature. When I get up in the morning it has been as low as 96.5 degrees.

I don't know if I'm hypothyroide because I don't have ALL the classic symptoms. I have a very low tolarance to heat, but I prefer cooler temperatures, and I do gain weight very easily, but I don't have the rest of the symptoms like dry skin or brittle nails or being over sensitive to cold, etc. etc. I just have a very slow metabolism.

As you can see, I do have some issues to contend with.

In addition to eating lots of vegetables and fresh fruit, I also take a few tablespoon of Extra Virgin Olive Oil before my meals because I found that in helps to slow down the absorbtion of carbohydrates so that my blood sugars do go up as high or as fast after eating my meals.

And since my cholesterol is too low, I've given myself permission to go ahead and eat eggs, hamburger, and sharp chedder cheese which I love very much.

So far I've been lucky that I have had no complications from diabetes, and I've been diabetic since September of 1994. I'm 54 years old, but I've been told I look younger.

For a big fat diabetic, I've been disgustingly healthy. It's been over 20 years since I had a flu or any allergies, and over 10 years since I even had a common cold.

By the way, I have also heard the low testosterone levels makes it harder to build muscles. Now that really sucks on all four cylinders!!!

BIG-UNC · 13-05-2006, 08:34 AM

thats better fat man, see how nice we are when you are nice to us!

i hope you get some help from the doc's mate as it cant be very nice for you really

you should ask hackskii if he has anymore info for you mate that man is an absolute diamond if he can help you or any-one-else he will

anyway i appologise for my first reply to you mate

regards

Crazy Mick · 13-05-2006, 11:54 AM

Just a suggestion fat man, what about starting to work out with weights?

**hackskii** · 13-05-2006, 11:06 PM

Having low cholesterol is not associated with low testosterone levels, low cholesterol diets can be associated with low test levels and primarily low fat diets.

Lifting weights actually raise HGH, IGF-1, testosterone levels, so lifting weights also being a great fat burner and helping insulin resistance is all pluses in my book. Older men that lift weights have higher test levels that guys that don’t at the same age.
More lean muscle mass, less body fat, less bone loss, all good reasons. I could go on for days like aiding in belly fat which is where the most aromatase enzyme is and that is what converts testosterone to estrogen, the list is endless.

Another thing, many people with a sluggish thyroid will be lower temp and will have higher cholesterol, so hypothyroidism can be associated as a cause for high cholesterol, and like many hormones all affect each other in some small way. Have the doc run up your thyroid as well, hypothyroidism also will cause fat gain.
You temp sounds like low thyroid to me.
Are you cold all the time?
You might not be due to more insulation on your body (fat), sorry, just saying.
Have them run your blood.
Could try adding a tab of kelp and see if there is any change in temp.
That 2 degrees sounds almost for sure low thyroid/hypothyroid.

Adding the olive oil is a very smart idea for lowering the glycemic load of a meal, very good there, fish oils are another one that aid in lowering the glycemic load as well.
Chromium is a mineral that regulates blood sugars too.
DHEA supplementation might help here too as you are a bit older and DHEA can convert to any of the sex hormones, I supplement this too but only take 25mg a day otherwise it can spike estrogen so just 25, it is dirt cheap.
I don’t think you can get there in the UK but I don’t know if you are in the states.
Eggs are great, cheese actually can have some health benefits associated like calcium, CLA, some vitamins that you can use.

Have your doc run your blood, I would be interested in knowing if anything is up.

Fat Man · 14-05-2006, 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

Having low cholesterol is not associated with low testosterone levels, low cholesterol diets can be associated with low test levels and primarily low fat diets.

Lifting weights actually raise HGH, IGF-1, testosterone levels, so lifting weights also being a great fat burner and helping insulin resistance is all pluses in my book. Older men that lift weights have higher test levels that guys that don’t at the same age.
More lean muscle mass, less body fat, less bone loss, all good reasons. I could go on for days like aiding in belly fat which is where the most aromatase enzyme is and that is what converts testosterone to estrogen, the list is endless.

Another thing, many people with a sluggish thyroid will be lower temp and will have higher cholesterol, so hypothyroidism can be associated as a cause for high cholesterol, and like many hormones all affect each other in some small way. Have the doc run up your thyroid as well, hypothyroidism also will cause fat gain.
You temp sounds like low thyroid to me.
Are you cold all the time?
You might not be due to more insulation on your body (fat), sorry, just saying.
Have them run your blood.
Could try adding a tab of kelp and see if there is any change in temp.
That 2 degrees sounds almost for sure low thyroid/hypothyroid.

Adding the olive oil is a very smart idea for lowering the glycemic load of a meal, very good there, fish oils are another one that aid in lowering the glycemic load as well.
Chromium is a mineral that regulates blood sugars too.
DHEA supplementation might help here too as you are a bit older and DHEA can convert to any of the sex hormones, I supplement this too but only take 25mg a day otherwise it can spike estrogen so just 25, it is dirt cheap.
I don’t think you can get there in the UK but I don’t know if you are in the states.
Eggs are great, cheese actually can have some health benefits associated like calcium, CLA, some vitamins that you can use.

Have your doc run your blood, I would be interested in knowing if anything is up.

Well, I have a doctors appointment in a couple of weeks, and I'm going to talk to her about some additional blood tests for the next lab, but that won't be for another three months yet before I can get some more lab tests.

You asked me . . . . .

"Are you cold all the time?
You might not be due to more insulation on your body (fat), sorry, just saying."

No need to be sorry. I'm not offended by the word "fat", and yes since I do have a lot of fat on my body and it does keep me feeling warm during cool winter days, but during the summer I really suffer from the heat.

Sometimes during the summer when I perspire a lot, my blood pressue gets too low. One time it was down to 89/58 when it's usually at 110/70.

While most people are comfortable with a room temperature of 70 degrees, I prefer having it at 60 degrees, and I can go out in 45 degree weather without a jacket because my own body fat keeps we warm.

Sometimes my hands feel cold, but it's not due to poor circulation. My blood is thin, and one time I cut myself shaving, and it took over an hour to stop the bleeding, so since my blood is thin and takes longer to clot, my circulation is pretty good.

When I was much younger, going to college I use to pump iron, and although I built up a lot of muscle I didn't lose any fat.

When I was in my 20s and 30s I sufferd from chronic hypoglycemia. I was always hungry. My blood sugars were always too low, and when I was tested, my insulin levels were four times as high as it should have been.

Now when I think back on my college days, because my body was naturally producing too much of insulin, it sort of gave me an edge when it came to pumping iron, because I added more inches to my arms chest and legs than anyone else in my weight training class, and I had the biggest thighs, but I still couldn't get out from under the fat. My weight training instructor asked me if I was trying to become a Sumo wrestler because I wasn't losing the fat!

That was probably because I was always hungry, and pumping iron only increased my appetite even more. So I was still gaining fat at the the same time I was building muscle.

You suggested that I take kelp tablets to raise my body temperature.

The problem is that when my body temperature sometime reaches 98.1, to me it feels like a low grade fever, and I get really sleepy and want to lay down just like anyone would when running a fever. I'm more comfortable when I'm between 97 and 97.5 degrees. Being at 98.1 feels too warm for me.

Now you're probably going to think I'm weird for saying this, but . . . . . . .

When ever I do lose some weight, I don't feel any better. I get really depressed and suffer from anxiety, but when my weight is back up, I feel more calm and relaxed.

I would love to get back to pumping iron again, but I can afford membership at a Gym. I'm going to check out the Life Care Center here in El Paso Texas and see if they have a Gym. When it comes to pumping iron I would like to do leg presses again. When I was in college I was able to leg press 650 pounds which was the entire stack of irons, but I could only bench press 120 pounds. For me it's harder to build upper body strength.

But I just know that if I can get back to pumping iron, I still won't be able to lose the fat, and would probably end up going Sumo!

:lift:

BIG-UNC · 14-05-2006, 11:56 AM

hey go with what you've got

sell up and move to china or where ever it is that do all the sumo stuff

atleast no one will call you fat anymore they'll probably chant your name

"fat man" "fat man" onlymessinwitcha!

Tatyana · 14-05-2006, 12:38 PM

Ok lads,

Being obese can bring on insulin dependant diabetes (IDDM, think also called type 2 now). I think fatman is on a rant as unless you acutally KNOW about diabetes, and most peeps just think diabetes is taken care of because there is insulin, erm NO!

Diabetes is on the increase and one of the most common endocrinology disorders.

It is super super super scary with loads of really hideous side effects, even with insulin.

GOD even if you have non-insulin dependant diabtes (NIDDM) it is such a nasty disease.

I think that taking any chance that you might end up with this disease is bonkers.

Who knows if you have a genetic predisposition, you take insulin and tip the balance.

When you have diabetes the following things may occur:

Loss of eyesight

Kidney failure and require dialysis (one of the biggest expenses to the NHS me thinks)

Loss of toes, feet, limbs

Greater risk of cardiovascular disease (CV)

Greater risk of a couple of cancers

I guess it is my job, that I see how many peeps have things like diabetes or messed up thyroid glands that I do find it really SCARY that people would actually mess with them.

Every day, day in day out, and that is just ONE hospital.

And mess with them for WHAT? It is not like most of you even compete in BBing? That is what I don't get.

Fatman may not have expressed himself in a way that was not easy to listen to, however, just listen to the frustration and anger of having diabetes.

Respect

x
x
x
T

Fat Man · 15-05-2006, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tatyana

Ok lads,

Being obese can bring on insulin dependant diabetes (IDDM, think also called type 2 now). I think fatman is on a rant as unless you acutally KNOW about diabetes, and most peeps just think diabetes is taken care of because there is insulin, erm NO!

Fatman may not have expressed himself in a way that was not easy to listen to, however, just listen to the frustration and anger of having diabetes.

No, I'm not on a rant. I'm just telling it like it is.

Also I'm not angry about having diabetes, because there is no use in being angry.

Negative emotions can only aggravate it and make things worse, so the thing to do is take charge of it and keep it under control.

All the complications you had mentioned can be avoided if a diabetic keeps his/her blood sugars within the normal range.

My grandmother had Type II Diabetes, she was obese being 5 ft. 2 in. and weighing over 250 pounds, and she had to use insulin, yet she lived to be 80 years old. This was back in the 1950s when diabetics didn't even have meters to check their blood sugar levels because they weren't invented yet. The only complication she had was it did effect her eyesight, but she didn't go blind.

She had a terrible addiction to sweets, and would eat a whole cake, and then take some extra insulin to cover it!

But I intend to avoid going that rout. I also have an addiction to sweets, but I fight that addiction every day. Eating some fruit helps to control the craving.

Most of my fat relatives lived to their 80s while my mother who was thin and did not have diabetes only lived to the age of 72.

My younger brother is thin, about 5 ft. 11. and weighs only 165 pounds, yet he has high blood pressure, and high cholesterol.

But fat little me, at 5 ft. 6 in. and weighing in at 305 pounds, my blood pressure is normal usually 110/70, and my cholesterol is only 100 which is actually too low, and my triglycerides are only 70.

I've been lucky that I have had no complications since I was diagnosed back in September of 1994. So, September 20 will be my 12th birthday as a diabetic, a birthday I have No intention of celebrating with cake! Instead I'll just have some fruit and thank God that my health has been good dispite my obesity and diabetes.

Once again, I want to express my concern for those who continue to use insulin for the purpose of building up your muscles . . . . . . .

Please, by all means, do be careful!

Because you will build up a resistance to the insulin, then you will start gaining fat along with your muscles, and then will come the big soft round belly, fat butt, thunder thighs and a double chin.

Yes, you'll still be quite muscular under the fat, but you'll go Sumo!

08-05-2006, 09:30 PM	#31 (permalink)
Tinytom super-hypno-moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Babylon Posts: 5,905	Any drug can be harmful if abused. I'm not advocating Insulin use, in fact I think it shouldn't be used by anyone. However the reality of top level sports is that risks are taken to become the best. I hope you've been on a pro-cyclist site and had a go at the EPO packers. And a sprinting site to talk about THG and what about a pie eating site for self loathing fat plums that can't be bothered to do more than walk up a flight of stairs - probably to get more pies from the store room. There are plenty of diabetics who aren't fat. You're just lazy. All top level sports have some level of drug use so wake up. Oh forgot to add - if you exercise with weights the insulin receptor balance shifts to the muscles so you can actually get quite a good physique. However you'll never get this cos you're a waster by your own admission. __________________ We are what we do. Excellence is therefore a habit not a skill. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. - Code 'UKM 110' for an extra 5% discount To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Also mod at To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sponsored by Extreme Nutrition - Almost an unfair advantage

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BIG-UNC IF YOU BUILD IT.....THEY WILL COME! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 1,945	some said he'd fallen over the other day mate se he'll be half way to scotland by now!! aparantly he rolls for miles when he falls! __________________ UKM's Uncle Hackskii's buddy To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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crazycacti Fat and bulking... Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Isle of Man/Newcastle Posts: 1,417	imo it sounds as if your testosterone levels are very low... i'd get that checked out ;) __________________ Insulin Spikes? Glycemic Index? Just ask Timmy Smooth... 'Well I've just downed 4 Iceland sausage rolls and my arms are shaking like an epilectic on a bucking bronco.'

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BIG-UNC IF YOU BUILD IT.....THEY WILL COME! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 1,945	thats better fat man, see how nice we are when you are nice to us! i hope you get some help from the doc's mate as it cant be very nice for you really you should ask hackskii if he has anymore info for you mate that man is an absolute diamond if he can help you or any-one-else he will anyway i appologise for my first reply to you mate regards __________________ UKM's Uncle Hackskii's buddy To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,737	Having low cholesterol is not associated with low testosterone levels, low cholesterol diets can be associated with low test levels and primarily low fat diets. Lifting weights actually raise HGH, IGF-1, testosterone levels, so lifting weights also being a great fat burner and helping insulin resistance is all pluses in my book. Older men that lift weights have higher test levels that guys that don’t at the same age. More lean muscle mass, less body fat, less bone loss, all good reasons. I could go on for days like aiding in belly fat which is where the most aromatase enzyme is and that is what converts testosterone to estrogen, the list is endless. Another thing, many people with a sluggish thyroid will be lower temp and will have higher cholesterol, so hypothyroidism can be associated as a cause for high cholesterol, and like many hormones all affect each other in some small way. Have the doc run up your thyroid as well, hypothyroidism also will cause fat gain. You temp sounds like low thyroid to me. Are you cold all the time? You might not be due to more insulation on your body (fat), sorry, just saying. Have them run your blood. Could try adding a tab of kelp and see if there is any change in temp. That 2 degrees sounds almost for sure low thyroid/hypothyroid. Adding the olive oil is a very smart idea for lowering the glycemic load of a meal, very good there, fish oils are another one that aid in lowering the glycemic load as well. Chromium is a mineral that regulates blood sugars too. DHEA supplementation might help here too as you are a bit older and DHEA can convert to any of the sex hormones, I supplement this too but only take 25mg a day otherwise it can spike estrogen so just 25, it is dirt cheap. I don’t think you can get there in the UK but I don’t know if you are in the states. Eggs are great, cheese actually can have some health benefits associated like calcium, CLA, some vitamins that you can use. Have your doc run your blood, I would be interested in knowing if anything is up. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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BIG-UNC IF YOU BUILD IT.....THEY WILL COME! Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: middlesbrough Posts: 1,945	hey go with what you've got sell up and move to china or where ever it is that do all the sumo stuff atleast no one will call you fat anymore they'll probably chant your name "fat man" "fat man" onlymessinwitcha! __________________ UKM's Uncle Hackskii's buddy To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

14-05-2006, 12:38 PM	#44 (permalink)
Tatyana My name is EARL Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: On my bloody bike doing cardio Posts: 3,463	Ok lads, Being obese can bring on insulin dependant diabetes (IDDM, think also called type 2 now). I think fatman is on a rant as unless you acutally KNOW about diabetes, and most peeps just think diabetes is taken care of because there is insulin, erm NO! Diabetes is on the increase and one of the most common endocrinology disorders. It is super super super scary with loads of really hideous side effects, even with insulin. GOD even if you have non-insulin dependant diabtes (NIDDM) it is such a nasty disease. I think that taking any chance that you might end up with this disease is bonkers. Who knows if you have a genetic predisposition, you take insulin and tip the balance. When you have diabetes the following things may occur: Loss of eyesight Kidney failure and require dialysis (one of the biggest expenses to the NHS me thinks) Loss of toes, feet, limbs Greater risk of cardiovascular disease (CV) Greater risk of a couple of cancers I guess it is my job, that I see how many peeps have things like diabetes or messed up thyroid glands that I do find it really SCARY that people would actually mess with them. Every day, day in day out, and that is just ONE hospital. And mess with them for WHAT? It is not like most of you even compete in BBing? That is what I don't get. Fatman may not have expressed himself in a way that was not easy to listen to, however, just listen to the frustration and anger of having diabetes. Respect x x x T Last edited by Tatyana; 14-05-2006 at 12:43 PM.