DB

gyno is breast tissue not fat...gyno can only be fully removed by surgery

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damagedgoods

so to clarify what DB has said that if u have man boobs because u r fat then when u diet down u will no longer have them - as it is fat on the chest u r loosing rathr than breat tissue caused by gyno...

I am curious about one thing though....

if u use some compunds (19 nors) like decca then u progesterone levels are affected... now how does this affect gyno??

Also what about the hormone prolactin - this has an affect on breat tissue - and is released by the pituitary..... anyone hear of bromocryptine (Parlodel)? as I am told that this is also used by people to combat gyno.... anyone knwo about this?

dk246

i think i got a set of them

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Stu

Estrogen causes the deposit of fat and growth of tissue in the breast

Progesterone causes the proliferation of certain cells in breast tissue also causing then breasts to enlarge. It also primes them for the production of milk

Prolactin in the presense of suffcient progesterone is what causes them to lactate and produce milk.

bromocritpine and dostinex both tackle progesterone/prolactin issues

nolva tackles estrogen and also has a positive effect on the progesterone receptors as well.

and that concludes todays science lesson

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megatron

as a sideline, how can a woman get gyno...

I have a friend (cough) who's girlfriend could do with bigger tits... Is there anything he can feed her to make them bigger?

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DB

u can get progestion booster tings from holland and barret dunno if they work tho?
called breast gro

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megatron

cool - worth a try.

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Carnivore

check about 1" diameter behind your nipples, u can tell gyno from fat a mile off, it'll be 1 big hard lump,as opposed to the softer fat, its hardly ever small deposits, just 1 big blob behind the nipple

DB

na mate

diet is the best form of removing fat...

stuff like sann tight..ECA..clen... will help but only iof ur diet is sweet

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johny

I suffer with fat,it started when i first started training,got some bad advice from some old skooll body builder who said just eat eat eat!(including mars bars etc).

I started putting some (good?) size on as i was quite skinny before but most of it was fat.
Ive read that if you gain weight to quickly your fat cells can explode in size and it makes it really hard to get rid of the fat.
I can get my chest looking reasonable now but only when i diet right down and i have a full six-pack(not easy when your trying to add muscle).

Now i try to keep a happy medium where im not adding to much fat but just enough to keep gaining good quality muscle .

Any advice i would give somebody new to the sport is to do things gradually and dont do what i did and try to rush it!(mars bars aint the answer lol)

Chico

Those pics are shocking. I'd be straight down the plastic surgeon if I developed tits like that. I saw some worse pics when I was looking on the web. One guy had tits but they were really saggy, kinda like you would imagine a very old womans breasts to look like. If nothing else this thread should be a must read before anyone starts a cycle.

Bigdav

New to this but i'll give it a go. Read somewhere(think it was the journal of applied physiology) that if you use 20mg of novaldex a day for 12 weeks, in 80% of cases it will clear up the old bitch tits. Got a bit of excess around that area, not from drug use, which is a bitch, literally, so im gonna give it a go and i'll keep everyone updated on how it progresses

Stu

i would go with 60mg of nolva for a few days then 40mg until it clears. 20mg is used to prevent gyno occuring. In order to reduce the gyno you need a bigger dose.

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Bigdav

I'll see if i can dig out the article, they did try higher dosages but they found there were side effects the higher they went. Plus i'd rather try 12 weeks low dose than screw my system with higher ones

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i hardly get any sides from high doses of nolva but i guess everyones different.

Try 12 weeks @ 20mg and let us know how it goes.

On a side note if the nolva you have is tamoxifen citrate (generic) rather than pure tamoxifen (nolvadex) you need to take around 30mg per day to achieve the same results as 20mg of nolvadex

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