fits

Yeah, the likes of 6 Oxo gets good reveiws,

so going back to ... brasco's question Hack, what do you think about the 14x21 at a 10-15mg dose? and if you were to use it, would you used 6 oxo etc?

my mind is't made up abotu trib. I used a cheap brand years ago ad liked it, but only because it made me horny and i assumed at the time that ment higher test levels. I think it also depends on the quality so would not say its complete crap...jury is still out for me. I woul drather go with an OTC anti E right now as i have seen a few get good feed back.....

hackskii

I dont see 14 days on 21 days off as being very supressive, but I would suggest over time this would change.
I think it may take a while before things come back so there will be a bit of a lul in there.

I think pulse cycleing looks better on paper to me than 14 on 21 off, especially when used around training.

I need to bring some d-bol into work for my big dead lift days, I forgot yesterday.

TBH, shutdown can go either way really, nobody can say with a diffinitive yes or no that you will or will not get shut down.
I think to some degree there will be some shutdown after the first day.
After all, LH will stop being sent to the nuts after the tabs are taken, to what degree this influence is on the nuts is only a far fetched guess.

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leeston

exuse my niaivity but what is there available with regards to an OTC est blocker? Can you name some decent products please.

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fits

i find it very interesting. I spoke with cookie about it via email and he emailed me over his thoughts on the whole low dose dbol thing and it was quite interesting, .

He outlined how he would do it if he would have done it agian and it was very 'training' orientated. which makes sense. Taking it 14 days on 21 off, or 5 on 2 off or pre&post workout etc is nice and simple, but he was talking about mixing it up in relation to training. Some of it crossed thoughts that i have had recently.

lets us know whata ahappens if you try it good and bad results, it would be good to hear.

hackskii

There are many actually, I had looked in the past for information about reservatrol, that seemed pretty good for a natty guy, not to mention anti-cancer, better cholesterol (much needed after a cycle), and anti-oxidant properties.

But honestly there are many types of natural AI's like zinc which is a mild AI in itself, also supports testosterone production, as well as immune function.

Chyrsin but now I hear it may not be all that good, I need to dig more on that one.

AIFM than Macro suggests maybe something worth looking at.

There are many, and in between the days off with the d-bol, it would probably be a good idea to use these.

But in all fairness, although there are tons of them out there, and even some just for PCT, like one from protein factory called Post Cycle Therapy, they kind of do look promising but that is the only over the counter one I have tried. I have also tried TBomb II, I was not too impressed and it was expensive.
Perhaps someone with some experiance with over the counter stuff may chime in.

I can think of a few reasons why it should be used around training, lowering catabolic hormones like cortisol, binding to SHBG to offer more free testosterone, positive nitrogen ballance, placebo....lol, not to mention the pumps are pretty crazy.

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fits

Yeah it does makes sense. Im not sure what i'll experiment with first. I have Tbol too, it doesn't seem to be a good ASS to pulse, its mild with sides so might go for a short 'traditional' cycle when I try it.

Hack have you used any pro hormones or 'designer' steroids as they now seem to be called? Epi and super drol seem to be used allot in the states.
Are pro hormones still s een as being crap? or have they become better these days?

hackskii

To be honest they kind of scare the crap out of me.
These new drugs do work for some, but some of the side effects are pretty bad, and some of them guys have no idea how to get rid of.
I see them as having less benefits than steroids, and more sides, remember they all are orals and some of them are very expensive.

Know a guy that got gyno after the Epi (I think it was estrogen rebounding), then another guy could not get rid of gyno from M1T, and lets face it, some just dont work.
As cheap as gear is, it just makes more sense to go with stuff that is proven, and the side effects are very well known prior to taking them.
Makes no sense to me not knowing what something is going to do and taking that, I dont want any surprises on my cycles, at the very least I can combat what is going on.


I think it was Bill Roberts that suggested the bigger doses taken once a day had less supression of the HPTA than trying to keep levels stable throughout the day, and he also suggested that the single doses tended to yield better gains, than those trying to keep the levels stable.
Remember peak concintrations are about 1.5 hours to 3 hours after administration, so taking them an hour and a half before training would seem to me would be effective.

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fits

Thats how I have always seen pro hormones, AAS have been about and tested by....................MANY people now so unless you buy from a bad source, you know pretty much what to eexpect. I wondered if pro hormones had got any better, but as you say, they are new so there hasn't been many testers!! and soo expensive!

People talk allot about keeping blood levels stable, but out bodies spike at different times so pulsing makes sense to me in that way. Saying that i don't know a hell of allot about this.

hackskii

But you are asking questions, so yes you will know a hell alot about it if you keep asking.

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fits

So are you going to try a pulse of sorts? just dead lift days? could that not be potentially harmful if your comming back from injury? maybe you will be pumped and try lifting, or even lift more than your revovery body part actually wants to?

hackskii

Well, I am clean now and pretty much want to stay that way, I am kind of tired of jabs, higher than normal blood pressure, and doing the whole PCT thing. Not to mention wanting to shag all women of age regardless of age (Robsta, don't start!) Only to have sub-par libido after the cycle was done months down the road.
Everything will comeback online, over time.

So, to answer your question, pulsing sounds good to me.....lol

Dead lift days offer the best bang for my buck, as it is the most compound lift I can think of, squats second, but my knees hurt and are a bit stiff.

Back injury is much better, even at the modest weight I was pulling on tuesday I am sore today on Thursday, but the back is holding up fine, it is the stupid stuff I did that injures me and not the dead lifts.
I have never had any back problems with the dead lift, even though I should work abs more frequently and at diffrent angles.
I have fractured 3 vertabra in my back with a car accident and to be honest it is the restricted movements that give me the most heartache.
That last injury was trying to pull like a freaking idiot on the concept II rower in compitition with a buddy of mine......Yah I beat him but hell, two days later I was jacked.

I have learned over the years to not force things, I have many injuries and they do set me back some but I have learned to work around them in a way that offers direct stimulation, and can keep my strength and size.
I am almost 50 years old and am still pretty strong.
I know my limitations, yet I do like a challenge once in a while.
Ego is a bitch sometimes................lol

Honestly I am lazy, I like to spend the least amount of my time in the gym, so I do try to capitalize on the best bang for the buck...........

Like today, I did pullups (assisted due to being overweight), till I felt my lats being hammered, then I did dips, till I felt them hammered, then bombed calves, then hammered abs, then went out of the gym in about 25 minutes.
I just felt like hitting diffrent groups, as I have not done dips in years, nor pullups....lol
Abs also suck..................Core needs help.............

This isnt science, at my age I am not looking to prove anything, just do some smart training that wont injure me.
Out of all my exercises I kindof feel the dead lift I can do the most of with the injuries I have, and even that, the dead lift is one of the most safest exercises I can pick, due to the fact that I am a pusher and not a puller.

Any time you get to be a bigger pusher than puller you are asking for trouble......

Everyone wants to be a pusher, and some love pulling, but I was stupid growing up and concintrated in only pushing................Stupid..................
Id love to roll back 30 years, but I cant..............
But you can......................lol.................Life is a journey, experiance counts for something!

Cheers

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fits

Life is indeed a journey, i am 29, not achieved massive amounts, or even any amounts in my book lol with regards to lifting weights! I have, before now, dropped 5 stone in weight whilst getting stronger, and weight lifting has stopped me going out and drinking quite so much, taught me MASSIVELY about nutrion, kept me busy (at work) and there is still allot to come.

I have been lifting on and off since i was 14. mostly training on my own. i am 30 neext may and i will be going to thailand, i want to be in the best shape of my life, but I do lack drive these days (to loose weight) I guess we get complacent whilst in relationshiops. I am sitting fialry happy at 15.7 stone. I want to get down to 15stone then i will start adding strength/muscle. I will then try either a pulse or a low dosed dbol cycle....

what dose will you use for yoru pulse? and will you use it only for dead lift days?

bren123

i hav just bought methatab 10 mg can any one tell me if their any gd plz thanks

jamboo

bren just finished a course on methatab, did 50mg per day and it worked very well, looking forward to hitting it again, ive heard only good things about them which is why i did it. looking to get some more asap!