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**hackskii** · 04-11-2008, 05:18 PM

I think the degree of shutdown is entirely personal in nature.
One guy may shutdown, another may not.

the problem I have is something like 10mg of d-bol a day may work for a moment, but once endogenous production of testosterone stops, then you are swapping your own T for some d-bol.
Once you come off, endogenous production will be low, and gains will be lost.

In my mind pulsing would be the best approach, especially if done around training days, that way you can take advantage of endogenous production of testosterone while taking exogenous amounts of d-bol.

So, low dose maybe ok for a guy for a period of time, but yet again may not be a good idea if supression is a factor.
Many guys feel if you are going to do a cycle then do it.

So, pulsing does look inviting because you can get something out of it and not have conciquences of shutdown nor running a PCT.

I dont agree with low dose d-bol where you are swapping endo production for exo supplement.
Pulsing would work around this.

fits · 04-11-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

I think the degree of shutdown is entirely personal in nature.
One guy may shutdown, another may not.
I think that statement is what may have been missing from 'debates' in the past - it varies allot

the problem I have is something like 10mg of d-bol a day may work for a moment, but once endogenous production of testosterone stops, then you are swapping your own T for some d-bol. This makes complete sense, thats why I guess how many days on and off be it 14x14 14x21 10x20 or what ever would have to be found out on a personal level - which is what i do if i try this

Once you come off, endogenous production will be low, and gains will be lost.

Very possible, but on s69 journal, he seemed to keep his so it seems possible, maybe the slow gains helped with this..... I'll try contact him to see if he lost his gains althoguh allot of things can be involved like diet and lack of trainign i guess

In my mind pulsing would be the best approach, especially if done around training days, that way you can take advantage of endogenous production of testosterone while taking exogenous amounts of d-bol.

I see this on anabolicminds.com, they have your PCT article up over there.... how much would you start with and would you take your pulse dose pre/post work out or both?

So, low dose maybe ok for a guy for a period of time, but yet again may not be a good idea if supression is a factor.
Many guys feel if you are going to do a cycle then do it.

So, pulsing does look inviting because you can get something out of it and not have conciquences of shutdown nor running a PCT.

Well, I will test this myself soon :-) - i was concidering pulsing either 3x per week when i train or maybe 3 x one week 2 x the next. How long do you think you could pulse like this?
I dont agree with low dose d-bol where you are swapping endo production for exo supplement.
Pulsing would work around this.

**hackskii** · 04-11-2008, 06:30 PM

My article is on that site?..............cool...........lol

Well, considering I have a 3 day split routine, and if the pulsing was done in or around some of the training days, it may offer some benefits without the risk of added sides, and shutdown.

I remember taking 15mg of d-bol an hour before I went to the gym, I did feel it and I kind of liked it, the pump was rather nice actually....lol
I think I just may try it on the lagging exercises.
I am trying to get my dead lifts back after a little back injury, I have to go slow, so I dont see any problem taking them on dead lifting days at all, even if it was just once a week.

There maybe even be something to taking a SERM while on the d-bol to avoid some supression, not sure, but tore looks like something worth considering due to the fact that estrogen is about 200 times more supressive than testosterone.
I would be willing to guess this is probably the reason for the supression.

brasco · 04-11-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ONE SMART COOKIE

If I was a newbie again I would go back to what I did in the begining and it worked everytime.

10-15mg aday for 3-4 weeks with 4 weeks off then repeat.

I gain steadily and slowly of every cycle

In fact wished I`d never gone onto bigger stuff.

As for the larry scott dosage there was actually a big meeting of all the top stars of the day at vince girondas gym to disscuss the benefits/downfalls of actually going up to 15mg aday,make ya think dont it if they were actually onto something in those days with regards to training and diet and using gear as the final cherry on the top.

Boyer coe was also another that spent a lot of time only using 10mg aday in his cycles and he didnt do too bad out of it either.

would you need pct with that??

**hackskii** · 04-11-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by brasco

would you need pct with that??

Probably not, but then again I would....

fits · 04-11-2008, 11:03 PM

I dont think cookie posts here any more. I would have thought past 14 days, you would start becomming more and more suppressed until you end up relying on the small amount of Dbol your taking.....saying that i have never tried this........

i have read that (although we will all reacted differently to it) 10mg will start suppressing around day 10. Any one tried the 5 on 2 off? or other variations?

fits · 04-11-2008, 11:08 PM

any ideas Hack howw you would use the SERM on the pulse?

**hackskii** · 04-11-2008, 11:08 PM

I would think the shutdown would happen almost immediatly.
Once the body sees too much estrogen or androgens, then LH would stop sending signals to the testicles, the testicles would stop the production of testosterone.

I believe that the longer the shutdown the more atrophy in the nuts, the more atrophy in the nuts, the more stubbern they will be to responce to LH, once the signal is being sent to the nuts.

Like an arm in a cast, it atrophies, once the cast is off, it still does not have the strength it did in as little as 6 weeks or the time the arm was in the cast.

**hackskii** · 04-11-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fits

any ideas Hack howw you would use the SERM on the pulse?

Sure, something like tore to be run ED while on would curb estrogen enough to hinder shutdown some.

I am taking low dose aromasin right now and I am getting more morning wood and also some sex dreams. chances are I am having problems with excess aromitization.

Due to the fact that d-bol aromitizes quite heavily and estrogen is approx 200 times more supressive than testosterone, it makes sense for short cycles or even longer ones to use an AI during the cycle.

There is some study going around that uses 100mg test a week and some tore and the subjects are not getting negative feedback on the HPTA.

So, the low dose d-bol maybe ok with the use of tore or you may be able to get away with a bit higher dose of d-bol and still not having problems.

brasco · 05-11-2008, 12:07 AM

hacks what do you think of the 21 on 14 off method?

**hackskii** · 05-11-2008, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by brasco

hacks what do you think of the 21 on 14 off method?

What dose?

fits · 05-11-2008, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by brasco

hacks what do you think of the 21 on 14 off method?

Do you mean 14 on 21 off?

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Originally Posted by hackskii

What dose?

If I may i'll jump in here and say at a dose of 10mg per day?? (as that is what Leeston is currently doing and what S69 done mostly before, and what i may try)

brasco · 05-11-2008, 04:27 PM

yeh was thinking 10-15mg mate?!

cheers.

leeston · 05-11-2008, 04:36 PM

i am doing 10mg. Impressed with the modest gains will see how much is retainable after the break. Will only be doing trib and creatine although i expect to get flammed now!!

**hackskii** · 05-11-2008, 04:49 PM

Trib is worthless.
I think you would be better off using an over the counter estrogen blocker than the trib, or even MACA, hell or low dose DHEA, or ZMA, lol.........

04-11-2008, 05:18 PM	#46 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,091	Re: The Use of Dianabol as a Supplement I think the degree of shutdown is entirely personal in nature. One guy may shutdown, another may not. the problem I have is something like 10mg of d-bol a day may work for a moment, but once endogenous production of testosterone stops, then you are swapping your own T for some d-bol. Once you come off, endogenous production will be low, and gains will be lost. In my mind pulsing would be the best approach, especially if done around training days, that way you can take advantage of endogenous production of testosterone while taking exogenous amounts of d-bol. So, low dose maybe ok for a guy for a period of time, but yet again may not be a good idea if supression is a factor. Many guys feel if you are going to do a cycle then do it. So, pulsing does look inviting because you can get something out of it and not have conciquences of shutdown nor running a PCT. I dont agree with low dose d-bol where you are swapping endo production for exo supplement. Pulsing would work around this. __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

04-11-2008, 06:30 PM	#48 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,091	Re: The Use of Dianabol as a Supplement My article is on that site?..............cool...........lol Well, considering I have a 3 day split routine, and if the pulsing was done in or around some of the training days, it may offer some benefits without the risk of added sides, and shutdown. I remember taking 15mg of d-bol an hour before I went to the gym, I did feel it and I kind of liked it, the pump was rather nice actually....lol I think I just may try it on the lagging exercises. I am trying to get my dead lifts back after a little back injury, I have to go slow, so I dont see any problem taking them on dead lifting days at all, even if it was just once a week. There maybe even be something to taking a SERM while on the d-bol to avoid some supression, not sure, but tore looks like something worth considering due to the fact that estrogen is about 200 times more supressive than testosterone. I would be willing to guess this is probably the reason for the supression. __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

04-11-2008, 11:03 PM	#51 (permalink)
fits http://augmentinforce.50webs.com/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East London Posts: 1,401	Re: The Use of Dianabol as a Supplement I dont think cookie posts here any more. I would have thought past 14 days, you would start becomming more and more suppressed until you end up relying on the small amount of Dbol your taking.....saying that i have never tried this........ i have read that (although we will all reacted differently to it) 10mg will start suppressing around day 10. Any one tried the 5 on 2 off? or other variations?

04-11-2008, 11:08 PM	#52 (permalink)
fits http://augmentinforce.50webs.com/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East London Posts: 1,401	Re: The Use of Dianabol as a Supplement any ideas Hack howw you would use the SERM on the pulse?

04-11-2008, 11:08 PM	#53 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,091	Re: The Use of Dianabol as a Supplement I would think the shutdown would happen almost immediatly. Once the body sees too much estrogen or androgens, then LH would stop sending signals to the testicles, the testicles would stop the production of testosterone. I believe that the longer the shutdown the more atrophy in the nuts, the more atrophy in the nuts, the more stubbern they will be to responce to LH, once the signal is being sent to the nuts. Like an arm in a cast, it atrophies, once the cast is off, it still does not have the strength it did in as little as 6 weeks or the time the arm was in the cast. __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

05-11-2008, 12:07 AM	#55 (permalink)
brasco Looking Freaky Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 704	Re: The Use of Dianabol as a Supplement hacks what do you think of the 21 on 14 off method?

05-11-2008, 04:27 PM	#58 (permalink)
brasco Looking Freaky Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 704	Re: The Use of Dianabol as a Supplement yeh was thinking 10-15mg mate?! cheers.

05-11-2008, 04:36 PM	#59 (permalink)
leeston Any more chicken and I will start clucking!! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Birmingham, West Midlandshire Posts: 2,710	Re: The Use of Dianabol as a Supplement i am doing 10mg. Impressed with the modest gains will see how much is retainable after the break. Will only be doing trib and creatine although i expect to get flammed now!!

05-11-2008, 04:49 PM	#60 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 30,091	Re: The Use of Dianabol as a Supplement Trib is worthless. I think you would be better off using an over the counter estrogen blocker than the trib, or even MACA, hell or low dose DHEA, or ZMA, lol......... __________________ Power over others is weakness disguised as strength. Scott

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