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The Gainskeeper Formula

This is the famous gainskeeper formula that is often referred to in the message board. It will help you keep as much of your gains as possible when coming off anabolic steroids.



The inevitable problem that all athletes face when coming off of a cycle of androgenic anabolic steroids is keeping the gains they've worked so hard to attain. Many experts have spent a great deal of time addressing this situation and attempting to find a solution. After a great deal of research and working with bodybuilders, I feel I have come up with the most effective solution to date. By examining other's techniques and results I have been able to determine what is most likely to work for the average bodybuilder using steroids. I am by no means saying this is the be all to end all of recovery formula's or that I am an expert in the medical field. I am simply offering an effective solution to the most common problem all athlete's experience after a cycle.

What needs to be recognized is that there is not one or two problems that need to be addressed, but several, which all act synergistically or together. By solving all of these problems together, the chances of increased performance are greatly increased in your favor. The key is all in the timing of the execution. The human body is a very complex mechanism and when the timing is right, maintaining the increase in muscle mass is easy.

The first problem is to restore the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis to normal after having been suppressed from the exogenous testosterone intake. Those athletes who use the weaker compounds that have little effect on the endogenous levels of testosterone can use this formula as well to further increase their gains. The actual actions by which we will use to raise endogenous testosterone production are beyond the scope of this report, but can be found in most University biology text books or by simply reading a copy of the World Anabolic Review. These will give you a better understanding of what we are attempting to do here.

The second major problem that the athlete will face is a substantial increase the body's own endogenous level of cortisone. These levels are extremely high when taking steroids; yet remain deactivated while on the juice as the receptors are blocked by the steroid molecules. This is what gives steroids their anti-catabolic effect. However, when the intake of steroids ceases, the receptors are suddenly freed and the unusually high levels of cortisone are free to break down muscle tissue. Thus, the high levels of cortisol must be reduced to normal levels in a very short time. Since we all know that creatine monohydrate is very effective in maintaining strength and creatine phosphate stores, it is highly recommended that you maintain a high dose of 30 grams per day for at least the duration of this formula.

Assuming you are coming off of an eight or ten week cycle, you should have started tapering the doses down in the last two or three weeks. This allows the body to return to normal levels much more evenly. Let's say that the start of each week is Monday. On the Monday of the seventh week in an eight week cycle, begin taking 25mg a day of mesterolone, otherwise known as Proviron. Proviron is a synthetic androgen that also acts as an anti-aromatase. When the intake of steroids ceases, the bodies own androgen levels are very low, yet the estrogen levels are still very high. This shifts the androgen to estrogen ratio in favor of the estrogens spelling bad news for the user. Proviron keeps the ratio in favor of the androgens without effecting the natural production of testosterone, thereby adding to spermatogenesis. This double action drug begins to reduce the amount of estrogen in the body by preventing the aromatization of testosterone to estrogen so that possible gyno, water retention and female pattern fat distribution may be avoided. It will also give the body a much harder look.

We also wish to deal with the increased cortisone levels at this time so that we may begin to bring them down before the end of the cycle. This can be accomplished by the intake of 800mg of Phosphatidylersine per day. There has been a great deal of controversy as to whether or not this supplement actually works. I feel that it has little effect on normal levels of cortisol in the body, but will work very well on reducing elevated levels after the discontinuance of steroids. It should be noted that the use of aminoglutethimide or Cytadren is NOT recommended. Cytadren may be anti-estrogenic, but it also inhibits the bodies own production of androgens, which is exactly what we don't want at this time. There are also complex negative-feedback mechanisms which must be dealt with individually.

The eighth week of the cycle is when critical timing begins. This is the last week of the intake of the steroids and when the body realizes what is starting to happen. On the Monday of this week, increase the dosage of the Proviron to 50mg a day. At this time, we also want to introduce the use of a little known drug by the name of Cyclofenil. Cyclofenil is an estrogen that act's as an anti-estrogen and as stimulant for the body to produce more testosterone. Cyclofenil acts in a very similar manner to Nolvadex in that it does not block the aromatization of testosterone, but occupies the estrogen receptors in the body so that the stronger estrogens cannot become active. Cyclofenil should be taken once a day at a dose of 100mg. We also want to begin to prepare the blood for the following week. We have to make sure the blood has enough raw materials in the way of steroid intermediates for the testes to increase testosterone production. To do this, we start taking 250mg of DHEA a day, starting on the Friday of week 8.

The ninth week is the most critical time of the cycle. This is where things get interesting. On the Monday, up the dosage of Cyclofenil to 200mg a day, but keep the Proviron and DHEA at their respective doses. On the Thursday we want to inject 5000 IU's of HCG to stimulate the Leydig's cells to produce more testosterone. Any more than this will overload the system and convert more to estrogen. On the Friday we want to start the intake of clomiphene citrate or Clomid. Clomid stimulates the entire hypo testicular axis to produce more test and at a faster rate. We want to start with 100mg a day.

In the tenth week of our formula we continue with all dosages at their respective levels, but we drop the dose of Clomid to 50mg a day on the Wednesday. By now the testosterone levels in your body should be way up there and you will feel like you've just hit your second wind. Surges in strength are not uncommon here.

The eleventh week is where we start to wind everything down. On the Monday we discontinue the use of the Clomid and the DHEA. We also reduce the dose of Proviron to 25mg a day and the cyclofenil to 100mg a day. We stop taking the cyclofenil altogether on Friday. Testosterone levels should be very high, estrogen levels should be fairly low, and cortisol levels will back to normal levels. On the Sunday, the last day of the cycle, stop taking everything.

Now would be the time to start a cycle of clenbuterol hydrochloride if you so wanted. Starting at a dose of 20mcg per day and working up to 80-120mcg, depending on how much you feel you can take in increments of 20mcg per day. You will know your limit when the side effects become unbearable, mostly the shaking and uneasiness. Back off that dose by 20mcg a day and stay with this dose in a two-on, two-off cycle for 3-6 weeks.

During this time it is important to modify both our training and diet. Since you will need to reduce your training capacity significantly and give you body time to readjust itself, I think a simple whole body powerlifting routine is ideal at this time. It will prevent a loss of strength from the cycle, even increase it, and not allow you to go into a state of overtraining. Stick to the core compound movements and limit the number of exercises you perform to 12 or less. This will challenge you to hit as many body parts as possible with only a few exercises. Keep the sets low and heavy. This routine also has the benefit of boosting natural testosterone production from the heavy squats, deadlifts and presses. Since we are all advanced athletes, we can look back to our diet journals and determine what our new maintenance calorie level should be. Be sure to use your lean body mass and not your total mass when determining your new maintenance level. You might want to add additional protein calories now, about 200-300 extra, but be sure you start with at least 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight before you add any.

Some notes to keep in mind when using this formula. Always take a good vitamin and mineral pack ( this is a given at all times ) and it is a good idea to up your intake of anti-oxidants in general, and of vitamin C to 3 grams per day in divided doses. It is a good idea to divide the intake of all substances up into equal doses in the day to ensure even levels in the blood and to take them all with fluid after meals. And be sure to drink one hell of a lot of distilled water during this entire period as your kidneys and liver will be doing overtime for the duration as well.

That is the whole formula. It is not cheap, nor is it taken lightly. But those who have invested the time and energy in making the gains will realize that maintaining them is just as important. Train hard, educate yourself, and best of luck.

Week Proviron Phosphatidylersine Cyclofenil DHEA HCG Clomid
7 25 mg/day 800 mg/day
8 50 mg/day 800 mg/day 100 mg/day 250mg/day
9 (Monday) 50 mg/day 800 mg/day 200 mg/day 250 mg/day
9 (Thursday) 50 mg/day 800 mg/day 200 mg/day 250 mg/day 5000 IU
9 (Friday) 50 mg/day 800 mg/day 200 mg/day 250 mg/day 100 mg/day
10 (Monday) 50 mg/day 800 mg/day 200 mg/day 250 mg/day 100 mg/day
10 (Wednesday) 50 mg/day 800 mg/day 200 mg/day 250 mg/day 50 mg/day
11 (Monday) 25 mg/day 800 mg/day 100 mg/day 250 mg/day 50 mg

Great White

Another Excellent post.

Thanks a lo Spyder. Great Read

Paul

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spyder

no problem I have a ton of info just figured I'd share.Hey if someone didn't share with me I would have aquired most of my info.

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samurai69

cant believe i missed this

ONE SMART COOKIE

Man I havent seen this formula for must be 5 yrs atleast maybe more....

There used to be a newsletter that went with the board that it was first posted on..man I miss that board..some good guys and ideas on it before the feds shut it down......

hackskii

Anyone notice the huge amount of HCG?

Or 200mg of DHEA?......That might be a tad high but his thoughts are interesting.
DHEA can help other hormones to be produced.
I have many reads on this hormone.
I take this supplement myself.
Although I feel that the health food one is kindof a joke.
The pharmacuitical one is time released and more potent.
Most older folks are low in this hormone and supplementing it might be a good idea.
200 mg would be 8 tabs a day or 2 tabs 4 times a day.
This is pretty high and DHEA can raise blood pressure.

Again interesting read.

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samurai69

I was just reading about DHEA two cut and pastes here:


Two cut and Paste articles about DHEA

DHEA: Ignore the Hype

P.J. Skerret

News reports have called DHEA "the mother of all hormones." A new book calls it a "superhormone." On the Internet, it's billed as the "fountain of youth hormone."

In the court of media and public opinion, DHEA is king, a pill that can help us live longer, lose weight or gain it, prevent cancer, heart disease, and Alzheimer's, and combat AIDS and other infectious diseases. The crescendo of praise for this hormone has drowned out the serious cautions that top researchers in the field are raising:

"The one thing you should tell your readers is that we know very little about DHEA. The hype is out of control, and I can't stress enough that it should be used with caution, if at all, until we know more," says Samuel Yen, MD, professor of reproductive medicine at the University of California, San Diego. News reports and advertisements widely cite his studies of people who took DHEA supplements for three months as proof that the hormone "works."

"No one should take DHEA except under the supervision of a physician, who should routinely check steroid and cholesterol levels, glucose tolerance, and prostate health in men," says John Nestle, MD, professor of endocrinology and metabolism at Virginia Commonwealth University, who studies DHEA's effects on diabetes and blood clotting.

"DHEA is the snake oil of the '90s. It makes me very nervous that people are using a drug we don't know anything about. I won't recommend it," says Elizabeth Barrett-Connor, MD, professor and chair, department of family and preventive medicine at the University of California, San Diego. Her studies of natural DHEA levels in older people suggest that higher levels may protect men against heart disease.

"Selling potent steroid hormones in health food stores or by mail could be a disaster in the making. DHEA should be classified as an investigational drug and used only in clinical research until we figure out what it does and its side effects," says Peter Hornsby, PhD, associate professor of cell biology at Baylor College of Medicine. His team has just identified the body's DHEA-making cells.

Why such strong statements from researchers who think DHEA may someday have a medical use? To date, there's no solid proof that DHEA supplements have any real benefit for humans. There's also no proof that they are completely benign. "Unfortunately, we don't see the problems associated with hormone use until years later," says Peter Casson, MD, assistant professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Baylor College of Medicine. He cited as an example the higher of breast cancer in women who took diethylstilbestrol (DES) to prevent a miscarriage, which was discovered only after years of use.

What Is DHEA?

Dehydroepiandrosterone, or DHEA, is a steroid hormone, a chemical cousin of testosterone and estrogen. It is made from cholesterol by the adrenal glands, which sit atop each kidney. For the first few years of life, the adrenals make very little DHEA. Around age six or seven, they begin churning it out. Production peaks in the mid-20s, when DHEA is the most abundant hormone in circulation. From one's early '30s on, there's a steady decline in DHEA production, so the average 75-year-old has only 20% of the DHEA in circulation that he or she had 50 years earlier. At all ages, men tend to have higher DHEA levels than women.

By definition, hormones are chemical messengers made in a gland or tissue that start, stop, or otherwise orchestrate activity in some other issue. That makes DHEA a hormone in name only, since no one knows exactly what it does in the body. For years it was thought to be a kind of chemical trash left over from making other hormones. Today, "we still haven't been able to identify any mechanism of action," says Dr. Casson.

In fact, about the only thing that researchers can agree on is that DHEA is easily converted into other hormones, especially estrogen and testosterone.

The Food and Drug Administration isn't sure what to do with DHEA supplements. Ten years ago the agency told companies to stop selling DHEA, which was marketed at the time for weight loss, and classified it as an unapproved new drug, obtainable only by prescription. Then in 1994, DHEA was reclassified as a dietary supplement, allowing sales over the counter.

The Evidence

Much of DHEA's reputation as a wonder hormone comes from experiments in which mice or rats were fed daily doses. Such studies have shown that DHEA can prevent or delay the onset of cancer, "hardening" of the arteries, lethal viral infections, lowered immunity, obesity, and diabetes. But what works in rodents doesn't necessarily work in humans. That may be especially true in this case, because rats and mice produce only about 1/10,000 the DHEA we do.

An early human study that pointed to possible benefits for DHEA came from Dr. Barrett-Connor's group. They measured DHEA levels in blood samples taken from almost 2,000 men and women between 1972 and 1974 and looked at how many died from heart disease. In 1986, they reported that men with high DHEA levels were far less likely to have died of heart disease, while women with high DHEA levels were at greater risk. A more detailed analysis published late last year, however, showed that men with above-average DHEA levels back in the early 1970s were only 15% less likely to have died of heart disease, while there was no association between DHEA levels and heart disease in women.

The longest and perhaps most carefully conducted work in humans comes from Dr. Yen and his associates. In their latest study, published last year in a special issue of the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences devoted to DHEA and aging, eight men and eight women aged 50 to 65 took either 100 milligrams of DHEA or an identical placebo pill each night for three months. For three months after that, they took the opposite pill.

Within two weeks of starting DHEA, circulating levels of the hormone were a bit higher than normally found in young adults. Lean body mass increased slightly in both sexes, as did muscle strength, which also improved with the placebo. Fat body mass decreased in men but increased a bit in women. There was also a rise in some chemical markers that suggested improvement in immune function, though the number of colds and other illnesses was not measured.

An earlier study from Dr. Yen's group showed that three months of daily 50-milligram doses of DHEA significantly improved the sense of "well-being," it did not improve sex drive, as advertisements for DHEA often claim..

Another study in which volunteers took DHEA suggests that this hormone may help treat the autoimmune disease lupus. Trials looking at DHEA's ability to boost the immune system and maintain mental function in older adults are in progress.

Experiments on a few dozen people over six months hardly constitute proof that a treatment works. "What we really need at this point are some long-term clinical trials to identify clear benefits and risks," says Dr. Nestler.

One reason why such trials are crucial is that DHEA has side effects, some of which may be irreversible. Since DHEA is converted into testosterone, some women who take it grow body or facial hair and, if they are under age 50 or so, can stop menstruating. DHEA has also been shown to decrease levels of HDL ("good") cholesterol in women, and could increase the risk of heart disease, the leading killer of older women. "We have no idea what DHEA might do to the risk of breast cancer," says Dr. Nestler.

In men, the increased levels of testosterone seen with daily DHEA pills could stimulate the growth of a tiny prostate tumor that would otherwise have remained dormant. Excess testosterone could also cause the prostate to enlarge, making urination difficult.

The Bottom Line

Much of the popular and scientific interest in DHEA stems from our culture's emphasis on youth. If levels of this hormone decline with age, the thinking goes, we could avoid the health problems that accompany aging -- or even extend our lifespan -- by keeping DHEA levels high. Many people are already taking DHEA just in case this turns out to be true. That wouldn't be a problem if this substance were as safe as vitamin C. But as a potent steroid hormone, DHEA has the potential for far-reaching side effects throughout the body. . . .

With DHEA and aging, there are no proven benefits and some potentially serious risks. Yet people are flocking to use this virtually unregulated substance, which troubles HealthNews associate editor Arthur Feinberg, MD.

"The potential for irreversible side effects is real," he says. "So given that there's no convincing evidence for any benefit of DHEA, I feel strongly that people should not take it."







DHEA



1. What is it and where does it come from?

DHEA is an acronym for the hormone dehydroepiandrosterone (now you know why people use the acronym.)

It is the most plentiful androgenic hormone produced by the adrenal glands and it is quite important to body builders and athletes because in men, around 50% of all testosterone is derived from it, while women derive over 75% of their estrogen from it and nearly 100% after menopause. Levels of DHEA are quite high at birth, drop during childhood, and peak during young adulthood. The levels continue to drop throughout life.

2. What does it do and what scientific studies
give evidence to support this?






DHEA is HOT, and you will see why. As a pre-cursor hormone, as it leads to the roduction of other hormones. When this compound is supplemented, it has been shown to have awesome effects. Although the methods by which it actually works are not fully understood, research shows it may be a sort of fountain of youth, slowing the aging process. It has also been shown to help people lose weight, burn fat and build muscle, and increase sex drive. Dietary supplements of DHEA can help maintain proper levels in the body and can aid a person in their overall well being. University of California, San Francisco researchers found that DHEA levels are lower in people who are depressed, and supplements of 30-90mg per day reportedly improved their state.

Is there enough that can be said about DHEA? Apparently not. It may also have positive effects on reducing cancer risk, controlling immunity, regulating blood sugar levels, reducing blood pressure, and decrease allergic states. Research also shows that in limited trials, may help to increase lean muscle mass, elevate function of the immune system, lower cholesterol, and have reversing effects on diabetes.

3. Who needs it and what are some symptoms of deficiency?


Because DHEA levels decrease with age, people above middle age can have incredible results as the studies above have shown. It can aid people that suffer from depression and lupus; but, importantly, body builders or athletes can have some of the greatest beneficial results. They can use it to help build strong muscles and lower body fat. It is also said to help keep the brain clear and the skin smooth as well!

4. How much should be taken? Are there any side effects?


When used in the correct dosages, DHEA is great. But, with any kind or hormone or compound, when used incorrectly it can cause problems. The exact right dosage may vary with each individual, so consulting a physician is probably a good idea. But, a good recommendation to start with is between 5-25mg daily. Women and men over age 60 are commonly prescribed 50mg and 100mg, respectively. Obviously since younger people produce more DHEA naturally, they should take less. Pregnant or nursing women should not take it.

hackskii

I do know a Dr that perscribes this along with progesterone, bio-identical thyroid, testoterone, and estrogen.

Me myself, I have read some books by Dr's that suggest this is a good thing.

Now comming from the medical community that has no intrest in helping you get well and healthy and loves to see you spend your money on treatments this just kills their credibility.

Oh and the pharmacuitical companies that cant patent this drug as it is derived from wild yams which by the way controls all studies in everything would much rather you take something like a perscription where the tend to make money.
Not the financial intrests of the Dr's that have intrest in these pharmacuitical companys.

Dr's now days dont listen to you, they rely on blood tests, they dont treat the condition or cause just the simptom.

They (Dr's & pharmacy Co's) even changed the criteria for cholesterol from 250 mg/dl to 200 mg/dl just to put millions of people on cholesterol lowering medication which is bad on the liver, gives you muscle atrophy all in the name of good health.

Oh, what is that? An under active thyroid can give you high cholesterol. Lets just lower the cholesterol and not worry about the thyroid which aids in the whole metabolism, clearity, protein and carb synthesis.

Dont get me started on the Medical industry.
My mom had low thyroid. They gave her T4 synthrod (sp) she never lost a lb.
I bet she never converted the Synthetic T4 into T3 at all.
Went to the gynocoligist for years and probably had cancer for 5 years before they found it.
It was a huge mass and they never did a visual.
Lazy Dr's
It upsets me.
I bet with the correct thyroid medication and some progesterone she would be alive today.

Many if not most Dr's dont know anything about hormones. I bet many gear users know more about hormones than the Dr's they go to

Joke.

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winger

Well after numorous blood tests they sent me to an endocrinologist. After talking with her she said she felt like she got an education. How mad was I?

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