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**hackskii** · 06-01-2004, 01:42 PM

T-man, yes they will bounch back litterally. They will get fat then thin out then get fat again then thin out. They will do this for I would say 2 weeks then they seem to just kindof keep their size. If your nuts are small then HCG would be in order.
There are other facters like your age and how much gear and for how long. I personally wont go outside 10 weeks again especially at my age 44. Deca alone=never.
I am doing the HCG in small amounts during my cycle to avoid the big crash at the end. But we will just have to see.

winger · 06-01-2004, 06:19 PM

t-man did you go through any needy, glingy, bitchy symtoms? I sure did. I was an emotional wreck. Crying, not confident. I am the most confident guy that I know and it flipped me a 180%. 3 days after my hcg shot all that stuff went away.

T-man · 06-01-2004, 07:35 PM

I was only on a low dose 200mg deca and 250 sust ew for 8 weeks fl weeks 1+2 as my first, aged 22.

My ball srunk in week 6 and sometimes hurt a bit they are very hard, but I have not had any other symtoms, probably as there was still the test from the sust in my system.

I have been a walking hard on the whole cycle though, but I was like that before anyway, just need the wind to change direction and the chap pop up.

I think I will continue with my current pct clomid and nolva and see what happens as I was only on a low dose, then for my next cycle in a few months will get hcg as well.

winger · 06-01-2004, 07:53 PM

I hear ya. Im 44 and it's not like it was when I was 22. On my cycle I was a walking hard on also. I sure do love that. I mis that. You being young and doing a light cycle is much better than a deca only cycle at 44. Curious why are you taking clomid and nolva? I heard that is a waste. If it were me I would do nolva only and save the clomid for another pct. T-man post a pic! Lets see who I am talking to.

T-man · 06-01-2004, 09:31 PM

I was going to run just the usual clomid
day1 300mg
days2-11 100mg
days12-21 50mg

but I had some nolva left over as I did not take much during the cycle so I thought I would use it up just 20mg ed.
I am also taking some tribulus and have loaded up on creatine which seems to be working as I am still getting stronger and have not lost any weight yet.

Will get pics as soon as I can get a camera, I might be able to borrow one from uni when term starts.
I will post my cycle results when I finish pct as see what I am left with.

**hackskii** · 06-01-2004, 09:47 PM

I would do 30 days with the clomid. Also the bigger doses have some side effects that affect vision and some of the vision problems can be perminant I have read.

demon · 06-01-2004, 10:25 PM

Winger, thanks for the info. The doc's theory sounds interesting and I may do it during my next cycle. Make sure you let us know how it goes.

By the way, I'm also having the same problem as T-man, but it's been a couple of months since my cycle ended. Do you think hcg would 'sort things out'?

winger · 07-01-2004, 12:57 AM

If the nuts are small then yes. Hcg is a God send. That stuff brought me back from panic attacks to myself in 4 days.
Try this. 10000 iu bottle. 1/2 cc every day. That should be 500 iu's for 20 days. Day 4, after the hcg, start some nolva, 20mg and continue for 2 weeks after your last shot. This is what I am doing. I dont really want to tell you what to do, only because I need to get my blood checked again. But I think I am correct with this. Only because my appetite, labido, disposition, and partying have all come back to normal. I did a 180 and now I am back. I have done so much reading from the hormone replacement therapy doctors that I think this is a real good start. Hcg is pregnant womans urine. It will also help you with body fat locally. I will post all my blood work in about 2 weeks.

**hackskii** · 07-01-2004, 02:48 AM

Demon, if for anything else it will help post cycle for the guys that are crashing hard. I really feel that if HCG is not abused then it is one of the best weapons to fight post cycle crash.

Small nuts, this stuff is the fastest thing you can use to make them (little guys) come back to life. Another plus.

Hey, just my 2 cent's worth. I have found another herbal way for Post Cycle Therapy and did not want to post as I have never tried it.

demon · 07-01-2004, 10:28 PM

Thanks guys.
I think I may give the hcg a go.

winger · 08-01-2004, 01:06 AM

Demon, if I were you I would get my testosterone checked before I did the hcg. I only say that because if your levels are normal then you wont need the hcg. I doubt they are only because your nuts are smaller. It dosn't hurt to know what your body is like. If your medical is expensive then forgetaboutit.

demon · 08-01-2004, 04:15 PM

Thanks winger.
I'll probably give it a few weeks and see if things sort themselves out. If not, then I'll look into the other options.

06-01-2004, 01:42 PM	#31 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,726	T-man, yes they will bounch back litterally. They will get fat then thin out then get fat again then thin out. They will do this for I would say 2 weeks then they seem to just kindof keep their size. If your nuts are small then HCG would be in order. There are other facters like your age and how much gear and for how long. I personally wont go outside 10 weeks again especially at my age 44. Deca alone=never. I am doing the HCG in small amounts during my cycle to avoid the big crash at the end. But we will just have to see. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

06-01-2004, 06:19 PM	#32 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,332 Blog Entries: 1	t-man did you go through any needy, glingy, bitchy symtoms? I sure did. I was an emotional wreck. Crying, not confident. I am the most confident guy that I know and it flipped me a 180%. 3 days after my hcg shot all that stuff went away. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

06-01-2004, 07:35 PM	#33 (permalink)
T-man Gym Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: England Posts: 253	I was only on a low dose 200mg deca and 250 sust ew for 8 weeks fl weeks 1+2 as my first, aged 22. My ball srunk in week 6 and sometimes hurt a bit they are very hard, but I have not had any other symtoms, probably as there was still the test from the sust in my system. I have been a walking hard on the whole cycle though, but I was like that before anyway, just need the wind to change direction and the chap pop up. I think I will continue with my current pct clomid and nolva and see what happens as I was only on a low dose, then for my next cycle in a few months will get hcg as well. __________________ You can't grow without pain!

06-01-2004, 07:53 PM	#34 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,332 Blog Entries: 1	I hear ya. Im 44 and it's not like it was when I was 22. On my cycle I was a walking hard on also. I sure do love that. I mis that. You being young and doing a light cycle is much better than a deca only cycle at 44. Curious why are you taking clomid and nolva? I heard that is a waste. If it were me I would do nolva only and save the clomid for another pct. T-man post a pic! Lets see who I am talking to. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

06-01-2004, 09:31 PM	#35 (permalink)
T-man Gym Addict Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: England Posts: 253	I was going to run just the usual clomid day1 300mg days2-11 100mg days12-21 50mg but I had some nolva left over as I did not take much during the cycle so I thought I would use it up just 20mg ed. I am also taking some tribulus and have loaded up on creatine which seems to be working as I am still getting stronger and have not lost any weight yet. Will get pics as soon as I can get a camera, I might be able to borrow one from uni when term starts. I will post my cycle results when I finish pct as see what I am left with. __________________ You can't grow without pain!

06-01-2004, 09:47 PM	#36 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,726	I would do 30 days with the clomid. Also the bigger doses have some side effects that affect vision and some of the vision problems can be perminant I have read. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

06-01-2004, 10:25 PM	#37 (permalink)
demon Looking Freaky Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 809	Winger, thanks for the info. The doc's theory sounds interesting and I may do it during my next cycle. Make sure you let us know how it goes. By the way, I'm also having the same problem as T-man, but it's been a couple of months since my cycle ended. Do you think hcg would 'sort things out'? __________________ DEMON "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

07-01-2004, 12:57 AM	#38 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,332 Blog Entries: 1	If the nuts are small then yes. Hcg is a God send. That stuff brought me back from panic attacks to myself in 4 days. Try this. 10000 iu bottle. 1/2 cc every day. That should be 500 iu's for 20 days. Day 4, after the hcg, start some nolva, 20mg and continue for 2 weeks after your last shot. This is what I am doing. I dont really want to tell you what to do, only because I need to get my blood checked again. But I think I am correct with this. Only because my appetite, labido, disposition, and partying have all come back to normal. I did a 180 and now I am back. I have done so much reading from the hormone replacement therapy doctors that I think this is a real good start. Hcg is pregnant womans urine. It will also help you with body fat locally. I will post all my blood work in about 2 weeks. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-01-2004, 02:48 AM	#39 (permalink)
hackskii UK-Muscle Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Sunny Southern California U.S.A. Posts: 23,726	Demon, if for anything else it will help post cycle for the guys that are crashing hard. I really feel that if HCG is not abused then it is one of the best weapons to fight post cycle crash. Small nuts, this stuff is the fastest thing you can use to make them (little guys) come back to life. Another plus. Hey, just my 2 cent's worth. I have found another herbal way for Post Cycle Therapy and did not want to post as I have never tried it. __________________ "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away." - George Carlin Scott To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by hackskii; 07-01-2004 at 02:50 AM.

07-01-2004, 10:28 PM	#40 (permalink)
demon Looking Freaky Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 809	Thanks guys. I think I may give the hcg a go. __________________ DEMON "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

08-01-2004, 01:06 AM	#41 (permalink)
winger UK-Muscle Male Animal Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern California, USA Posts: 10,332 Blog Entries: 1	Demon, if I were you I would get my testosterone checked before I did the hcg. I only say that because if your levels are normal then you wont need the hcg. I doubt they are only because your nuts are smaller. It dosn't hurt to know what your body is like. If your medical is expensive then forgetaboutit. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-01-2004, 04:15 PM	#42 (permalink)
demon Looking Freaky Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 809	Thanks winger. I'll probably give it a few weeks and see if things sort themselves out. If not, then I'll look into the other options. __________________ DEMON "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle

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