frustrated

been doing various roids for 4 years, every time within the first few shot i loose my libido, to put it bluntly i cant get it up, the wife is going spare !. ive done hcg, clomid and pct to no avail, it even happens when i take tribulous and zma, wondered if its anything to do with my age im 50 but healthy and fit. anybody got any ideas as to why this is happening and what i can do to avoid it other than taking viagra. help!..

44carl44

there are a few other people that have put posts up like this so someone will be able to help you.after your cycles were you running pct.

frustrated

thanks for the reply mate and yes i did run pct after, but the problem started just after i started and continued through the course

Cra16

What steroids are you taking, does it involve test?

Peter V

Pic of the wife? Just to eliminate her as the problem?

Only joking, sounds bad mate, why haven't you tried viagra? What's putting you off?

stonecoldzero

Op -

You need to let us know what you were taking, how much and how often before the problems started during cycle. I'm presuming after you came off and did pct things returned to "normal"?

The reason you need to give details is, for example, it may be something as simple as an estrogen dominance issue due to aromatization which should be helped with the use of an AI during cycle.

Hopefully it will be

So let us know ...............

frustrated

my last course was test 300 4ml, anavar and trenabol 3ml at the end, before that i was taking tren 4ml and test 400 4ml a week and another course was deca and sus but cant remember the dosage. there have been other courses but i cant remember the steroids or dose. during and after each course i have taken clomid or tamoxifen and hct, the supplier is quite knowledgable but i cant help wondering if he is just trying to sell me the drugs. the most worrying thing is that ive just tried tribulus and zma which are supposabley herbal test boosters and within 2 days i had the same problem

mars1960

Not good for you mate, but very interesting, iv'e never heard of this before, it's always been the opposite for me and everyone i know or have spoken to, sorry, cant be of any help.
PS, when you say you can't get it up i assume you are refering to ED and not a lack of libido???

halasz

You have tried a test only cycle? nothing fancy 500mg test-e, pm hackskii he knows ALOT about pct and aftercare and is always willing to help.

Old but not out

Trib and ZMA - neither of these actually make a difference to testosterone levels, unless you take ZMA at a dosage that causes heavy metal poisoning. This says to me that at least in part your problems are psychological and not physiological.

When you take testosterone (assuming it is actually test) there is only one possible modality of loss of libido - that is through an increase in estrogen levels. The increase that occurs in estrogen builds up slowly - over a number of weeks and not "within the first few shot." This in itself tells me there must be a psychological aspect to your problem. There is a possibility that clomid and nolva may be the cause of your problems. You could try using an AI (at correct dosage) to try and see if this is the case. Another possibility I suppose is hCG - do you dose immediately at cycle start and at what dosage? A high dose protocol could cause a quicker increase in estrogen - which incidentally and AI cannot solve.

Age does play a part - as you grow older you (at least statistically) see an increase in aromatase activity this means that AI use becomes more important in controlling estrogen. The secret to having good libido on testosterone is to ensure you maintain normal levels of estrogen - not too high and not too low (also ensures general health)

In my opinion (for what it is worth) the psychological issue has to be relevant if ZMA and trib cause an issue.

Are you ok off cycle?

Edinburgh1980

Do you use an ai?

Mikazagreat

We need to know whut u been takin for how long, and whut type of AI.

D-TROPIN

Had this happen,

found it was more of of a receptor desensatisation thing than a estrogen dominance issue.
i have been off gear for a year and things starting to wake up on natty test now but was never the same as pre cycle libido
I remeber when i switched from my long 6 month summer cutter/per contest stack of prop,tren,mast,win to sustanon and enanthate nothing changed libido wise...however i gained some serious weight on my winter bulk....

hcg helped along with half an a-dex every 3 days with maybe a couple proviron a day

DONT **** WITH DHEA...can surpress the adrenals....NOT GOOD!

if you have tried low dose arimidex and proviron then perhaps you could go see a clinic and get something....
i tried something called apomorphine and viagra in a combined capsule and it was very effective when needed

natural things to increase libido are l tyrosine,ginseng,maca,b vitamins,yohimbe

Hope that is of some use

Old but not out

How do you know this was not an estrogen related issue, either low or high? Did you get levels done? If so what were they in comparison to your normal range? In can not see how it is possible to desensitize receptors involved in erection/libido?

hackskii

Couple of things.
It could be in your head.
Using deca or tren can supress libido.
Excess estrogen can crush libido.
An AI should be used with an aromitizable steroid.
DHEA does not supress adrenal function, it supports it.

I would get lab stuff done myself and see if something stands out of the ordinary.

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