bennyrock

Whats the pro's and cons between the 2.

tuna_man

Var = strength increases, small but high quality muscle tissue gains. Can help in cutting, and increasing vascularity, with correct diet and training. Slightly less liver toxic than other orals.

Winstrol = 'very crap anavar'. Some strenght maybe, some light gains, can help in cutting, cheaper. More liver toxic, A lot more suppressive to the HPTA, may well screw up your joints and connective tissues, more likely to cause hair loss. A lot worse in terms of side effects. Dont fall for the myth that it is mild.


Anavar is safer, more expensive, but most would say a LOT better than winny.
BUT ALL steroids can cause side effects and may give you health/hormonal problems, even anavar, so dont take the decision to use steroids lightly. Exhause ALL natural avenues first.

bennyrock

Good advice there bud. i have done every natural and legal sup and all im looking for is to rip up. i have the size i want as i eat like a horse and train hard. i am just looking to get ripped now. And as for the hair loss , that started to go years ago. lol

tuna_man

Steroids will do barely anything for cutting up, they simply help to retain muscle mass. But IMO, unless you are trying to get to like 3-5% BF, they are not necessary. Most people will look extraordinary with some muscle at 8-10% bodyfat, and this is perfectly achievable through natural means.

As for natural supps, the only one worth anyhting are whey, creatine, omega3, vitamins/minerals, zinc, maybe glutamine and aminos (bought as powder, very cheap).

If you are looking to rip up, research the eph/caff stack, or maybe even clenbuterol and caffeine.
These are not steroids, but sympathomimetics which can greatly aid in fat loss. They may be all you need, but remember, everything has its own set of risks/sides.

So if youve never done steroids before, id recommend give it a miss for your purpose, get your diet, training, cardio, rest, supplementation spot on, then maybe use some sympathomimetics if you want.