Sean Byrne

12 weeks
500mg of test cypionate a week shot twice a week 250mg for 12 weeks

40mg of D-bol for the first weeks 1-4

50mg of Anavar weeks 5-12

40mg D-bol for the 3 weeks after last jab until p.c.t

0.5mg Arimdex ED

not sure on p.c.t

big

I would just jab the whole 500mg in one shot weekly.

I would forget the var this time - use it next cycle.

I would run HCG throughout at 500iu twice a week.

I would run the adex EOD at that dosage throughout

For PCT nolva+clomid.

All IMO.

Sean Byrne

I was going to use the var for strength gains

big

On your first cycle, if the test + dbol doesn't cause decent strength gains, something is VERY wrong.

If you take three new compounds in one cycle, how will you know which one has caused the strength gains in reality?

hilly

good info by big altho i would leave out the adex for a first cycle. you may not be gyno prone or anything else but if you run this then you may never no.

Some estrogen is a good thing and if you dont get the sides like gyno from the course then the ai may do more damage than good.

Altho BIG might have different reasons as he knows more than i do

Sean Byrne

500mg I heard if you shoot 250mg twice weekly your blood will be more balanced

Andrikos

I would lower the Dbol , 15-20 is plenty for a first cycle, no Var , and keep duration to10 weeks.

big

The AI is most certainly optional at those dosages on a first cycle. As you mention, depending on your adversity to risk, you may like to experiment and find out if you get gyno first. If that's the case, you should have letro on-hand IMO.

There are 4 reasons why I would recommend an AI throughout:
1. Combat gyno (already discussed)
2. Reduce water retention (although this is 95%+ diet)
3. AIs have been shown to increase LH levels. This is massively beneficial for when you are ready to start PCT. The higher your LH levels, the easier recovery will be.
4. Most decent endo doctors prescribe an AI for use with TRT. I figure there must be a good reason why they do this

big

Not particularly with test enan, and there is no evidence to suggest that it is beneficial to "balance" your bloods to that extent anyway. And even if you try, unless you are shooting every few hours, you will never balance them out properly anyway.

Remember, your natural test levels vary by something like 1000% over a single day. Varying test levels are the body's chosen default.

Personally, I have found slightly better results shooting it all in one go rather than balancing it out. I think the other mods, Pscarb, Jimmy, Tom Blackman, Nytol etc find this too.

You are quite welcome to shoot it twice a week, but you will just end up jabbing twice as much.

Just IMO.

hilly

Very true i havnt noticed any diff between once a week or twice a week or 3 x per week apart from using more needles and it being a pain in the ass.

stonecoldzero

As per Big reason #4 -

The reason many good endo docs prescribe an AI for use with TRT is due to the fact that Adex, for example, will decrease the levels of E per se.

That is, since E levels will ALWAYS increase with the adminitration of exogenous T, the individual is at risk of skewing the T:E ratio, resulting in an E vs T dominance. So, not only will use of the AI decrease the degree of supression caused by the higher E levels (200 times more suppressive than the exogenous T), it will also decrease actual E levels.

So, if an AI is used in small doses, it won't cause the problems associated with unhealthily low E, but it will promote a more dominant T:E environment overall. This, in turn, more closely mimics natural endocrine homeostasis. Indeed, where an E dominance is present, one can typically expect to experience all the symptoms associated with low T in and of itself.

Many endos seem to view this as the singlemost imprtant factor in the administration of an AI for both in-cycle and TRT purposes.

At least, that's my understanding of the rationale they use.

big

Thanks for the info, stonecoldzero. For those who don't know, stonecoldzero (sorry mate, I didn't catch your name when we chatted) has a wealth of first-hand knowledge on TRT, in particular how the top US endos do it.... which is far superior to our horrible "one shot every 6 weeks should do fine I guess" NHS mentality Definitely good info there, cheers.

Rossy Balboa

Good read...so let me get this right,would an a.i. such as adex/aromasin be beneficial to use even though you may not be/may not know if you are gyno prone as it can help with recovery/bloat etc?? Sorry to the OP for the hijack...

big

Yes, and particularly for the reasons stonecoldzero stated that the top endos are doing.

Just be careful not to lower estrogen levels too much, or it will kill sex drive. I know a few guys who went too far with letro in order to get rid of their gyno, and had trouble in the sack.

So a sensible, low dosage is best.

Rossy Balboa

Excellent mate,so say 0.5mg eod of adex is a sensible dose? what about aromasin dosage?