Cheater2K

Hi All,

Been a while since i have posted a new topic, so hopfully any doctors or anyone in the know about thyroids may be able to help me.

As of today, i have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism.(Underactive thyroid) (Thyroiditus, which means theres to much thyroid antibodies floating around and i now need to go on levothyroxine to get my thyroid levels back to normal) (Im also 25 which is pretty young for hypothyroidism)

Now i have used any gear as such for a while now but was planning early next yr.

However, i now need my blood monitoring every 6 weeks untill we get the HRT for the thyroid sorted.

My question would be, if i used any gear at the moment, would this have any effect on my T3/T4, TSH etc levels on the blood tests? Or am i best off just hanging fire untill i have sorted the thyroid etc out?

Ok, thats the first question, the next one would be, if this does mess with the resutls, because ill have to have an annual blood test from now on to test everything, again would the gear effect these results? Would i need to come off everything say 2-3 months before the tests etc? Or would i be ok to run stright through them.

Any feedback would be handy, or any info from anyone else who suffers from this?

Cheers

MXD

Tren and decca lwer t3/t4

Cheater2K

Dont suppose you got more to the reasons why these do have you?

Although personaly i dont use Deca, but would use tren in the future, but would need to see how much of an effect it has on the levels.

Propper Joss

Look up Dr Peatfields clinic on this link. He is brilliant. He has sorted my mate out without resorting to HRT for the thyroid.
http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/drpeatfield_clinics.php

Propper Joss

It is to do with the high level of prostaglandin production congruent with the use of tren in particular, as well as the abillity of progestins to affect the serrotonon/melatonin cycle, all of which increase your levels of IGF 1 and gh, which in turn have a suppressive effect on the thyroid.

I'm not an expert, and that is not a spot on explanaition, but it's along those sort of lines.

Cheater2K

Im happy enough with the HRT, (As this also runs in the family)

I will look up the link, however, im still intrested in the above question, would useing gear effect any of the results etc.

Cheater2K

cheers, ill look into this one in more detail as well then,

Any one else?

D-TROPIN

It doesnt directly effect the thyroid no but it changes the way the body binds the thyroid hormones and also estrogen has some sort of effect at the receptor making it harder for the thyroid to bind to the receptor...thus efectig the feedback loop.the igf1 issue would not really be a route id worry about

bottom line..if you are hypo then you need thyroxine or armour thyroid.if its just slihtly sluggish then maybe dr peatfield will be able to help...he uses natural glandulars that contain the building blocks for thyroid hormones bit also contain residual amounts of t4 and t3...

have you had full blood work
sodium
potassium
b12
ferritin
AM Cortisol

Propper Joss

I'm sure I've read that progestins have a much greater effect on the thyroid than oestrogen.

Also, Peatfield does recommend armour-thyroid / naturthroid / west throid short term to some of his clients. These are dessiccated porcine glandular meds with t3 & t4 in measured amounts. They are milder than the synthetic versions.

D-TROPIN

If you have already been diagnosed with autoimmine thyroid probs then the chances are you gunna need it for life

It can have an effect on the free levels in you r blood yes wich will make it more difficult for your doc to find the right amount that you need(wich i may add nhs are **** at this cos the dose by tsh not free hormones)so id say get stable and symptom fre first..then add in the anabolics..if you feel a liitle mre tired then maybe just add an additioal 25mcg t4 in...

im on 3 grains armour at the mo and my blood levels are bang on

Propper Joss

D?, could you use armour thyroid instead of levo or synth for cutting? I'm guessing you could, but would be interested to hear your experience of it?

D-TROPIN

Its all the same really...just depends on the rate in wich you convert t4
t4 converts to t3 as the active hormone so the benefits of armour is you get a burst of t3 on each dose whilst the steady reserve of t4 acts as a back up converting all through the day
armour for me is better all round..dont get that achey feelin that you get on levo plus you get a ton of other benefites form the othe stuff in it...levo i feel 75%...armour morelike 99%...

Cheater2K

Cheers for the reply,

I havnt got a note of the levels, but it has sent my colestrol through the roof (it was 8.6 2 months ago, now down to 6.8 on the last test, and now ive sorted the thyroxine)
Ive had every bit of bloodwork done to try and find out whats been wrong with me, lol, ive been a pin cushin for the past few months.

I will ask about Armour thy on my next appoinment as i have been prescribed levothy, which has helped alot even on the 2nd day, i feel alot better than i have been.

Do you run any gear etc though when you get your anual levels checked?

Cheater2K

Just re-read this post, thats great, this is the info i think im after, so basicly get the levels sorted, then away i go.

So really, once everything is level, solongs as im clean for the anual checks, everything should show up fine?

D-TROPIN

Re the cholesterol....
yeah thats prob a combo of the anabolics and the low thyroid
concentrate on the thyroid first and everything else will be easy
NHS dont generally prescribe armour but you might be lucky but you gotta fill in loads of paperwork and stuff.
it dont take long to get levels right but once you got it you dont even have to think about it...............unless you take gear.....

if you get stuck drop me a pm

D