Uriel

Could some of the more experienced longtime users with scarring give us some info on this.

How long did it take to begin forming initially, does it appear suddenly or gradually then begin thickening.

does changing sites prevent or just delay onset?

Does it reduce when OFF?

can you jab through it or has it rendered any sites useless?

LittleChris

Have noticed more difficult to get through the quads for sure (main site for me) but they still accept the oil- you feel like the needle is blunt.
Obviously the more you have, the harder it is to break through, to the point where they won't accept the oil properly anymore.

Deep tissue massages and breaks from the site will help.

Uriel

is there any particular gear that causes more too?

Uriel

How long before you noticed this?

LittleChris

Doubt the compound would make any difference, from a logical point of view anyway, but am prepared to be corrected!

Only really in the past few months, so after about 12months of use, quite a few EOD cycles in there. Just part and parcel of the game TBH.

LittleChris

Looking good as well bud

Uriel

My quads can be a bit tough to get into (been on a year) but I think they always have, I think when self injecting we just don't "go at it" like some one else would. I know I tend to go in more slowly and carefully than if I let my misses jab me.

I'm certain I don't have any scarring yet

Uriel

Thank you mate

Khaos

remember the slower you put in the oil the better, and i prefer thinner pins not those green nails....

Uriel

Ok whilst waiting for some input to the thread I was doing some reading up.

Every time an IM injection is made, necrosis (death) of tissue takes place due to what is injected, this is what causes the scar

"It has been found that necrosis of the muscle will occur after any IM injection no matter what medication is injected.[4] The only variable is the size of the necrotic lesion and the severity of it".

I think some people think it's is caused by the little needle going in - it isn't so don't think using a thinner needle will help.

"Scar formation. The significance of the necrosis may be negligible when few injections are given, but if multiple injections are given, especially in the same area over a protracted period of time, the areas of necrosis may become quite large and result in large areas of fibrosis of the tissues. This may be manifested by hard nodules felt deep in the tissues and even sunken areas of scar tissue seen on the surface of the skin. Dystrophic calcification of the scar tissue can occur with time resulting in even more painful areas. This is shown in Case 3 of this article. Once this occurs, operative excision of the area is the only therapy."

A bit of random injection info....jabs,including IM, were given by docs for 12 years before germs were thought of....non sterile needles were pushed into people regularly.... here -

"The administration of medications by hypodermic injection, a term originating from two Greek words that mean “under the skin,” was introduced by a Scottish physician, Alexander Wood, in 1853.

He attempted to relieve the pain of patients with neuralgia by placing medication next to the involved nerves.[1] The complete history of the development of hypodermic injection of medication can be found in the references.[1]

IM injection complications. The first reported complication of the hypodermic injection of medication was reported by Dr. Charles Hunter, a London surgeon, in 1865.[2] Two of his patients who received multiple morphine injections subsequently developed subcutaneous abscesses at the injection sites. At the time of his report, there was no sterilization of medications, syringes, or needles. It was not until 1867, twelve years after Dr. Wood introduced hypodermic injection of medication, that Dr. Joseph Lister published his work on surgical antisepsis and germs. Strangely, complications of hypodermic injection must have been exceedingly uncommon because Dr. Hunter, whose patients developed the first reported complications, said that “if the site of the injection was continually varied and the puncture was made with care and celerity, there was no fear of abscess or diffuse inflammation.”[2]





All quotes take from this article -



http://www.woundsresearch.com/article/2045

Dig

I've used glutes as my main site and after over 2 years of pinning them i definately have scar tissue. I would say it is has become much more apparent lately, i didnt used to mind injecting at all but now it feels far more painful than it did a year or two ago. Time to start using a different site, i just cant stand quad or delt inections which is why i use glutes so often.

On a side note often when i bend over to pick something up i sometimes get a pain in my glute that feels like when you hit a nerve, not painful however causes a reflex flinching action I'm going to start using a foam roller on this area which will hopefully help a bit.

Uriel

Yeah I rotate glutes and quads with the odd left delt (can't do right delt myself)..

Need to try the other quad heads I think (I always do outer). i'm also going to move the site around a bit for a given area- I tend to find a sweet spot and stick to or near it.

i think rotating many sites and keeping fast acting EOD courses to a minimum will help

ryoken

i pin center quad at the moment with no problems, tried inner quad but rather not as it was a little too tender for my liking!
i have two little scar tissue lumps in outer quad and delts from doing what you said -- finding a sweet spot and sticking to it, nothing huge but definatly notice if trying to pin through it -- crunches and needle gets stuck eerggh!
cant say whether i get less scarring using the slins for delts,tris,bis,pecs but its definatly a more pleasent experience tbh!
repping you for the article you posted

Dig

Try pec- upper pec about 1.5" in from sternum, it seems the location puts a lot of people off but i find it completely painless and very easy to do the shot. I have put 2.5ml in each with no problems.

Uriel

what then about an inch or 2 above the nip? How deep do you go cause it seems an easy site to use bothe hands