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PHHead · 25-11-2009, 06:27 PM

Whats the deal with this PCT cut & paste, every thread I look at now its there, its like a bad penny!

**hackskii** · 25-11-2009, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheese

Actually it would possibly be a good addition to Hacks' sticky thread although some of the opinions are slightly conflicting/different.

It would providing the information happened to not have a bunch of flaws in the authors thinking.

First BigCat at the time never ever took steroids, his assumption that nolva was superior for being a SERM is only partially correct.
For gyno prevention yes, for stimulation of LH totally false.
Nolva is a crap drug for that, clomid is totally superior and is used in the diagnosis of secondary aquired hypogonadism.
Yes, endo doctors use clomid not nolva to test the pituitary for LH.
Some stuff looks good on paper, but fails in real life practice.

The other guy has some good info but again is totally missing the mark on the use of HCG.
If the testicles are the biggest sticking point in the equation for recovery, and post cycle LH is very low to not existant, the testicles are atrophied, the clomid would not work better than HCG.
That thinking is somewhat correct but the nuts can take months to come back to life, the pituitary weeks.
So, bringing the pituitary online first before the nuts wont do all that much.
Testicular function is primary in recovery, pituitary is secondary.
If HCG mimics LH and you are not getting that the testicles will further shut down.
Once the testicles are online the rest is a breeze.

So, HCG would be the most important piece of the puzzle, and he never said anything about using an AI or a SERM to combat the estrogenic sides of HCG.
How can HCG cause further supression of the HPTA when the "T" is for testicles and HCG is used for recovering testicular function?

Kezz · 25-11-2009, 07:38 PM

a couple of drinks will be ok, i havent done pct in a couple of years now

Cheese · 25-11-2009, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

It would providing the information happened to not have a bunch of flaws in the authors thinking.

First BigCat at the time never ever took steroids, his assumption that nolva was superior for being a SERM is only partially correct.
For gyno prevention yes, for stimulation of LH totally false.
Nolva is a crap drug for that, clomid is totally superior and is used in the diagnosis of secondary aquired hypogonadism.
Yes, endo doctors use clomid not nolva to test the pituitary for LH.
Some stuff looks good on paper, but fails in real life practice.

The other guy has some good info but again is totally missing the mark on the use of HCG.
If the testicles are the biggest sticking point in the equation for recovery, and post cycle LH is very low to not existant, the testicles are atrophied, the clomid would not work better than HCG.
That thinking is somewhat correct but the nuts can take months to come back to life, the pituitary weeks.
So, bringing the pituitary online first before the nuts wont do all that much.
Testicular function is primary in recovery, pituitary is secondary.
If HCG mimics LH and you are not getting that the testicles will further shut down.
Once the testicles are online the rest is a breeze.

So, HCG would be the most important piece of the puzzle, and he never said anything about using an AI or a SERM to combat the estrogenic sides of HCG.
How can HCG cause further supression of the HPTA when the "T" is for testicles and HCG is used for recovering testicular function?

Nice post mate, the reason i sent you the link was because i wanted to see what flaws you saw in the article.

T.F. · 25-11-2009, 08:42 PM

My own PCT was supposed to be over the festive period, but i'm just extending my cycle by 4 weeks, that way i can have New Year and PCT blues!

Cluk89 · 25-11-2009, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hackskii

It would providing the information happened to not have a bunch of flaws in the authors thinking.

First BigCat at the time never ever took steroids, his assumption that nolva was superior for being a SERM is only partially correct.
For gyno prevention yes, for stimulation of LH totally false.
Nolva is a crap drug for that, clomid is totally superior and is used in the diagnosis of secondary aquired hypogonadism.
Yes, endo doctors use clomid not nolva to test the pituitary for LH.
Some stuff looks good on paper, but fails in real life practice.

The other guy has some good info but again is totally missing the mark on the use of HCG.
If the testicles are the biggest sticking point in the equation for recovery, and post cycle LH is very low to not existant, the testicles are atrophied, the clomid would not work better than HCG.
That thinking is somewhat correct but the nuts can take months to come back to life, the pituitary weeks.
So, bringing the pituitary online first before the nuts wont do all that much.
Testicular function is primary in recovery, pituitary is secondary.
If HCG mimics LH and you are not getting that the testicles will further shut down.
Once the testicles are online the rest is a breeze.

So, HCG would be the most important piece of the puzzle, and he never said anything about using an AI or a SERM to combat the estrogenic sides of HCG.
How can HCG cause further supression of the HPTA when the "T" is for testicles and HCG is used for recovering testicular function?

good post and well said mate

25-11-2009, 06:27 PM	#16 (permalink)
PHHead OTC PCT = FAIL Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 2,196	Re: PCT and Christmas Whats the deal with this PCT cut & paste, every thread I look at now its there, its like a bad penny!

25-11-2009, 07:38 PM	#18 (permalink)
Kezz Solid Gold Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: North Wales(England) Posts: 5,827	Re: PCT and Christmas a couple of drinks will be ok, i havent done pct in a couple of years now

25-11-2009, 08:42 PM	#20 (permalink)
T.F. Fuking roided up salmon fking drunk! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Northern Ireland Posts: 4,189	Re: PCT and Christmas My own PCT was supposed to be over the festive period, but i'm just extending my cycle by 4 weeks, that way i can have New Year and PCT blues!

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