Van

Abstract: Sustanon And It’s Use


Sustanon. Every BBer in the world knows the name. Every “noob” has to try it. But is it a good choice for BBers? Not really. Unless you know what you’re doing and even then you would likely have better and more stable results with less expensive and easier to maintain compounds. Let’s take a look at Sustanon.

Sustanon was originally designed and formulated by Organon as a timed-release compound used for androgen replacement for hypogonadic males, HRT, and all the other uses where androgens are indicated. The difference being that Sustanon (sustained release) was designed to be administered once per month. By combining multiple esters in such a way, starting with shorter chain molecules (propionate) and progressing to longer ones (decanoate), you can design a formula that takes effect almost immediately and releases it’s payload (testosterone) over a length of time.

So let’s look at the esters in Sustanon. Would anyone consider stacking two forms of esterified test in a single cycle? For example, would you combine propionate and enanthate? If so, how would you do it? Would you take 30mg or propionate every other day or twice a week along with 100mg of enanthate at the same time? Of course not! Well not only are you doing that with sust, but with FOUR esters, not just two. Testosterone is testosterone whether your body cleaves it from a short molecule or a long molecule. Many people still think that these different esters of the same organic compound are somehow different or “synergistic”. That’s almost like saying the caffeine in coffee is different than the caffeine in Pepsi. And if you stack coffee and Pepsi you’ll have a more pronounced effect or synergistic effect. There IS a difference but in only one regard and that is that you will get MORE raw test mg/mg with shorter esters than longer ones. The reason for this is simple. The larger the molecule, the more carbons are added which increases the total weight of the molecule. In short, more of the molecule’s weight is taken up by carbon and not testosterone. The additional carbon and occasionally oxygen atoms also increase the compound’s solubility and half-life but that is beyond this article. So what esters are we dealing with in Sustanon?

propionate 30mg (2 days)
phenylpropionate 30mg (4 days)
isocaproate 60mg (9 days)
decanoate 100mg (15 days)

In parenthesis, you see their approximate half lives. It is no coincidence that each ester is roughly twice the quantity of the one before it nor is it coincidental that each half life is approx. double the length of the one before it. Still beyond this article. Moving on…

I decided to experiment with Sustanon after receiving a fairly large quantity. Even though I had plenty, I was still thinking greedily and wanted to get the most out of my testosterone dollar. I started with the twice-a-week approach. A month later, I had no gains, a bad flu, and had used almost 20 amps (1ml) at 250mg/ml. I wanted to know what had gone wrong. It didn’t take long to figure out. During the first week, all that had taken effect was the prop and phenylprop. And 120mg total (out of 500mg) is all that my system saw. That’s about enough to suppress the axis but that’s it. Throw two amps in the trash. The second week, probably not much different and had used 4 amps (1000mg). By the third week I had the flu. Not exactly a surprise with all the HPTA suppression and unstable test levels. Most people have heard of the “sust flu”? Well, there you go. I was beginning to plan a PCT regimen when it dawned on me… I’m not getting enough STABLE, high levels of testosterone! So not long after that I moved everything to the all to common every-other-day (EOD) approach. Don’t get me wrong, I started noticing results but then again, who wouldn’t? This is a shotgun approach! If you had propionate and enanthate would you just keep dosing until something worked? No. You wouldn’t. The idea there is to just keep shooting the stuff and “one of them esters” will eventually work. Personally, I don’t like this approach. I think we can do much better. After all, don’t we owe it to Organon to abuse their product properly? SO… how well did it work? I’d have 3 good days, followed by 3 bad days. I was emotional. I wanted to sleep all the time. I had a runny nose. Two different blood tests during this time proved that I had almost twice the free test in my system as the blood test a week later. By this point, my great buy was turning into a great waste. I took 2 months off, did a fairly aggressive PCT and started planning my next cycle.

Here is where it seemed to all come together. I decided to try taking Sustanon as Organon intended, but in BBer amounts. This meant using it less frequently but using larger doses. Using it as a SUSTained-release product. Again, being greedy like I am, I didn’t want to waste the propionate in the Sust so I scheduled the entire cycle dosage amounts based on what I would take if I was doing a propionate-only cycle. This meant 4 amps or 1000mgs. That gave me a starting dose of 120mg propionate (30mg x 4) and instead of taking the next dose of propionate, I knew I could just relax knowing that as the propionate fell off, the phenylpropionate would begin and as the phenylpropionate fell off, the isocaproate would begin, etc, etc. This worked phenomenal and I began the cycle figuring on every two weeks (one decanoate half life). In reality, I played with this until I found a sweet spot of 8 days (approx. half of a half life). This gave me testosterone levels that remained stable throughout the cycle and at levels that were good for the results I wanted. You may need to adjust this time period to suit your physiology.

Conclusion: If I were to ever use Sustanon in a cycle again, which I doubt since there are less expensive, more stable compounds available, I would use it as intended in BBer amounts. I would do 1000-1500mg once every 8 days. This would allow for it to take immediate effect and with a few additional amps of propionate, you could use it with predictable stability right up until a few days before starting PCT. This dosing regimen, in my opinion, combined with equipoise or nandrolone would be a very productive cycle. Given the choice, I would still stick with enanthate. The injections are usually painless, the stability is high, the half life is fairly long. If you don’t mind EOD injects then prop or phenylprop would also be better choices than Sustanon in my opinion. Especially phenylprop. You would likely have to compound this yourself though as I haven’t seen this ester alone very often except in the case of nandrolone phenylprop (fast-acting deca).

Refs: any Sustanon package insert

Writen by: OuchThatHurts (mod) - professionalmuscle.com

Harry

B0llocks it's ideal for TRT.

bigbencher

what do u think of 750mg every 7 days or 500mg on a monday 250 on a thurs and repeated?pleas get back asiamjust about to do this and your help would be apreciated thankas lee

Van

Thats what it was designed for mate.... ''Sustained release''

0-victim-0

obviously its not going to be a super steroid on its on most steroids work ther best when used along with somthing else my persanol preferance is deca and dianabol or stanzanolol

vlb

good read, might explain a few things.

Harry

You don't say!!! Then tell the guy who wrote the article that you cut and paste.

vlb

in all fairness he did give the guy credit at the bottom of the post....

there is nothing wrong with sharing information between boards

stonecoldzero

As someone who uses Sust250 for TRT, I can tell you that if you administer it in the manner it was "designed" for you'll feel like $hit.

Everyone I know who uses Sust250 for TRT (administered by doctors every 18-21 days or so) generally add their own shot after 8-10 days - done either in one go or split it into two 4-5 days apart.

US docs are of the same opinion. It's just that the UK types who operate solely according to "NHS guidelines" are about 10 years behind on the issue of TRT.

Van

Honestly man, you were proved wrong... you just look like a moron... were just trying to have an sensible debate quit with your one liner comments and say something constructive please.

i credited the guy, most stickys are other peoples work. i found it very intresting and it made sense with simular blood work i had done recently, so i thought id share it here on UKM

Van

That’s really interesting, so do you agree an 8 day period would seem to be the most beneficial due to the multiple esters?

stonecoldzero

I actually do a ml of Sust 250 every 8 days BUT I split it into 2 shots - one every 4 days. I came up with this via trial and error.

I've tried half a ml every 5 days, a third of a ml every 4 days, etc etc etc.

I self-administer all my shots so I eventually found that the protocol I use seems to maintain a stable level. Also, the small amount I use each time means I can jab subcu not IM, so no PIP, less risk of abcess etc.

If I wanted to do a blast, I'd just up the dosages.

EDIT - Think I probably should have mentioned that I also use adex and hcg in combination with the Sust to manage / reduce estrogen and aromatization and to maximize natural test production as well as other HCG hormone benefits (dhea, pregnenolone etc)

Testaholic

im actually not a fan of sust, i think it does cause un stable blood levels as whenever i run it, even at a low dose i break out in spots. however when i run test e or test c i dont have a single spot breakout. im running 1G test e at the moment and skin is clear. i did however use a sust blend EOD and found the 'results' outstanding...

Harry

I have no idea WTF you are on about, it's not a critisim of the fact that you have cut and paste at all, it's a critisim at the guy who wrote the post for his conclusion which IMO is b0llocks as I stated before.

So where am I proved wrong? Can you prove me wrong? And why do I look like a moron for telling you to tell him something I'm more than fully aware of?

Van

^^^ you said ''B0llocks it's ideal for TRT'' and we have stonecoldzero posting saying he uses it and knows many who use it for TRT.... conclusion its widley used as a TRT drug.