The God

Hey people, I am strongly considering going back to a basic Deca/Sus cycle for my next cycle and wondering whats the best thing to keep Deca induced gyno at bay? Will adex or letro be sufficient?

Thanks in advance

hilly

they both would work. prami would be better tho i reckon and cheaper.

The God

Thanks for the reply mate i believe u mean Pramipexole. i've just seen another thread on the same topic. Some say Cabergoline some say bromocriptine others say Pramipexole while some ppl are sayin stick with letro

Too many conflicting views imo. I need further research. I am confused with regards to diference between prolactin gyno and progresterone gyno

hilly

From what i read prami is superior to cab and can also have a slight increasing effect on your gh howere this is tiny and dose dependant but any increase is good im reckon.

To be honest from my research either caber or prami will do the job for ya mate. prami has an appetite supressanrt effect apparantly so take this into consideration however again from my research this is very individual.

Letro and arimidex will do the job by all acounts but arimidex is expensive and letro is harsh on your lipids and s ex drive etc it killed mine earlier in the year. i always have a box in my cupboard but its only for drastic measure IMO

The God

Thanks again for your advise hilly i guess if i do decide to go with Deca then i'll make sure i have all four (caber,prami,letro and dex) Im not looking to start nxt cycle till next year anyway so highly likely i may deide against deca by then and go with equipoise. I know EQ is not a progestin so i only need to worry about good old estro gyno.

Hey i am trying to Rep ya but cant. Is it bcos you are offline at the moment? Anyways i will rep you once it lets me.Thanks Bro.

Harry

Just be aware mate that if you do use Prami buy the lowest dose possible they make and ramp it up otherwise the sides can be quite severe. Also reps system has been suspended.

hilly

no reps anymore pal.

Im yet to try eq myself actually but will do at some point as it seems a very love it or hate it compound.

let me know which one you choose and how it goes pal as its always interesting to hear different peoples experiences

tjwilkie

just a word of warning if you go for the caber it can make you very constipated it has with me any way and i was going through the archives and it seems hackskii was aswell when he was using it

hackskii

I am not sold on the ol deca gyno thing.
If you take an AI, I find it doubtful that you will get gyno from deca.
I still hold to the oppinion that if you take a DHT dirivitive gear like winstrol, masteron, that this opposes progesterone.

I have taken 600mg of deca a week and never got any gyno symptoms what so ever, if I took that same amount of test, I would get gyno symptoms.

I am not sold on a prolactin inhibitor reducing the sides from a progestin steroid, that makes no sense to me.

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Scott

The God

Hey thanks for your input Hacks i guess i will just run adex while on cycle then. Its my understanding Progesterone cannot exert negative effects without estrogen anyway. I will prob have letro on standby as well.

No more reps that sucks

Thanks to everyone that advised Yea i've heard alot of ppl say EQ is poo. I really wanna run deca and now its looking like i will

Kezz

[QUOTE=hackskii;1312168]I am not sold on the ol deca gyno thing.
If you take an AI, I find it doubtful that you will get gyno from deca.
I still hold to the oppinion that if you take a DHT dirivitive gear like winstrol, masteron, that this opposes progesterone.

I have taken 600mg of deca a week and never got any gyno symptoms what so ever, if I took that same amount of test, I would get gyno symptoms.

I am not sold on a prolactin inhibitor reducing the sides from a progestin steroid, that makes no sense to me.[/QUOTEi got it bad, in the 80's when i took deca only cycles, nipples so sore even my shirt brushing over them hurt :-(

hackskii

But Kezz, did you get any gyno lumps or any hard tissue?
How many mg's did you run?

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Sylar

I got gyno from Deca whilst running an AI mate, and Tren too. Letro did jack sh1t, but Prami sorted it in just under 4 weeks.

Progestin up-regulates the prolactin receptor and it's protein (PRL-R mRNA) - If a individual is sensitive to prolactin elevation, or already has natty high levels of prolactin to start with, the chances of running into prolatin driven gyno when running Progestins will obviously be increased and no AI will be able to stop it. You'll need to Dopaminergic for that.

The AI should be able to reduce chances of progesterone derived gyno as progesterone seems to augment the stimulatory effect of oestrogen on the mammary tissue and there is a strong synergy between oestrogen and progesterone, so in theory progestagenic activity should be dramatically reduced if oestrogen is kept in check, but it won't do much for folk that are prolactin sensitive IMO.

I know two other members here who has had success with a Dopaminergic in reversing gyno whilst cycling 19-nors too. I believe "The Wolverine" was running Letro at 2.5mg ED for 4 weeks and saw zero improvement in gyno reduction - he introduced Prami and had great success within 4 weeks. Very similar to my experience with Prolactin driven gyno bud.

hilly

sylar how did you run the prami mate?

The God

Sh@it why do things have to be so complicated lol

so my best bet for a course of deca is run an AI throughout and have a dopaminergic on hand. Pramipexole, Cabergoline and bromocriptine are all dopaminergics right?