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Sylar

I've ran it a few different ways now mate, but the best way IMO is to taper up from the .125mg tabs for 4-5 days, then progress to .25mg for equivalent amount of time, then .5mg and so on...

For reversing, I steadily progress all the way upto 1mg ED. Not everyone will need to go that high though, it's a trial and error thing really. After successfully reversing gyno, I like to then run a prevention dose of .25mg ED for the rest of the cycle.

I have to run an AI on all cycles, but only use Prami when gyno kicks in when running progestins. I'll prob just run a .25md ED prevention dose from the get go next time when using progestins, it'll save the hassle of high end dosing when gyno inevitably kicks in...

Sylar

Yes mate, I'm a believer in using a low dose AI on any aromatisable cycle to keep oestrogen in check for many reasons. It's not all about gyno.

And yep, I'd keep a Dopaminergic like Prami on hand bud. Chances are in the majority that you will not need it, but better to have it on hand and not require it, rather than need and not have IMO.

hilly

think i will order myself some 1mg tabs then as i am about to start some NPP and i get gyno off tren so im reckoning i am likely to get it off the npp also.

Sylar

Don't get 1mg tabs mate, they are very small and tricky to cut up. You will be very ill indeed if you take 1mg straight off the mark.

Get one box of .125mg tabs, a few in .25mg and some .5mg to save on further cost you like. Very important to slowly taper this stuff up man.

hilly

ahh right sorted mate ill order a few of each as they aint exacly expensive. may as well put some away.

Sylar

Good shout mate, always handy to have on hand for a rainy day IMO.

The God

Very helpful info Sylar thanks a million wish i cud rep u bro.

Kezz

very hard sore lumps behind the nipples..... i cant remember how many mg a ran off hand now as it was in 1987 lol

Sylar

PS. Just to add Hilly, if you don't get gyno off Test, yet do off 19-nors like Deca, Tren etc - The chances are that it is progesterone related in many cases and not prolactin.

Deca has an approx 20% binding affinity to the Progesterone receptor (PgR) - Tren has a approx 60% binding affinity to PgR, so in theory you are 3x more likely to run into progestagenic activity (mg for mg) when running Tren over Deca.

If the gyno is derived from progestagenic up-regulation, a Dopaminergic like Prami will not be totally effective. Although AI's stop test converting into oestrogen, they also lower circulating oestrogen levels as you know - Progesterone augment the stimulatory effect of oestrogen on the mammary tissue and there is a strong synergy between oestrogen and progesterone, so an AI like Letro will definitely help to reverse PgR derived gyno in these cases. A Dopaminergic is not needed here IMO.

On the other hand, if you are already running an AI and experience gyno when running progestins, the chances are that it may well be prolactin driven. If Letro has no effect on gyno reversal here, you will know for 100% sure that prolactin is playing a big part, and it's time to jump onto a Dopaminergic IMO.

Upto you if you want to run it as a prevention dose from day 1 along side a low dose AI though mate, but I don't like to run numerous drugs long-term that are not necessary. Low dose AI would be a good call from day one though IMO. I don't see any any benefits of having elevated E2 for months on end in the male body, gyno or not.

hilly

ok sylar some cracking info their pal. Right at the moment i am getting a little sensitive nips from just test 700mg per week. So i have started nolva 40mg per day and it seems to be sorting it out.

I have had gyno off tren before and letro sorted it out no probs but it killed my sex drive and letro is not something i want to run for longer periods of time if i can help it.

Do you think aromasin here would be a good shout or arimidex? especiialy as i am about to add in NPP.

Sylar

Either Adex or Aromasin would be good mate. I tend to get on better with Arimidex for prevention, but both are great for most people.

hilly

ok mate think ill get some of these sorted first then as i reckon these will cover me. What dose would you suggest. aromasic i was thinking 12.5mg ed or arimidex 0.5 ed.

Sylar

Sounds good mate, that dose should and frequency should cover most people, but I usually have to run Adex at 1mg EOD. I am pretty gyno sensitive tho.

Good luck bud.

hilly

thnks pal