D (bol) Day 6th June - Page 9 - UK-Muscle Body Building Community

samurai69 · 23-06-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ONE SMART COOKIE

even though the weightlifting side used if first for supposably beating the russians at their own game...but I have a theory on that too:lift: for later

LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT INSTALMENT

Biker · 23-06-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ONE SMART COOKIE

Dbol was actually released to the general public as a supplement for being underweight/malnutrition..it was just the bbing side of this sort of high jacked it..even though the weightlifting side used if first for supposably beating the russians at their own game...but I have a theory on that too:lift: for later

was used for POW's as it's first main use I think.

ONE SMART COOKIE · 23-06-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Biker

oh good man that's what I like to hear.

Well their will be production all day, but as you say it peaks in the morning, so in my eyes if doing a single dose the best time should be as it peaks, hence by the time the tabs are broken down it shouldn't effect your natural peak and should in fact cause an increase on your peak.

I still think in the long term it will cause some shutdown, but it is the method with the least effect on hpta.

your theory is much the same as my thoughts so we might just be right

So then if the cycle "IS" kept short ie 14 days the shutdown should be soooo small that the body wont even notice it......

You could also get a little more technical with it all and actually add grapefruit juice to the mix for its liver blocking enzyme effect to see if more of the actual compound gets through so that the body will get the full dose not like say 10 or 12 mgs after the liver has tried to tear it apart....

ONE SMART COOKIE · 23-06-2005, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Biker

was used for POW's as it's first main use I think.

I`ve heard that also but never read what compound or who actually made it..yet many a time I`ve read that it was zeigler(sp)that made the original dbol after the russians let slip that was what they were using to win all the golds at the olympic weighlifting meets so they used the old York Barbell team as guinea pigs to test it all out....This also leads to why Hoffman introduced one of his so called revolutionized programs to dicguice the fact that they were all on dbol....

**hackskii** · 24-06-2005, 02:43 AM

Well, i do agree with the fact that if you use the biggest dose in the morning you will have the least shutdown of the HPTA.

Now this is dose related.
Clearance time related.
Time on related.

Below is the bodys rise and fall of natural testosterone levels.
I feel that if you design your oral cycle around this you will be better off.
Lenth, dose, type of gear all play a factor for shutdown of the HPTA.

Biker · 24-06-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ONE SMART COOKIE

So then if the cycle "IS" kept short ie 14 days the shutdown should be soooo small that the body wont even notice it......

You could also get a little more technical with it all and actually add grapefruit juice to the mix for its liver blocking enzyme effect to see if more of the actual compound gets through so that the body will get the full dose not like say 10 or 12 mgs after the liver has tried to tear it apart....

Agreed taking grapefruit would be an excellent idea.

Biker · 24-06-2005, 10:15 AM

interesting climbs from the middle of the night until early morning as I would have expected Scott, but I didn't expect that peak at 1 in the afternoon!

ONE SMART COOKIE · 24-06-2005, 10:50 AM

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interesting climbs from the middle of the night until early morning as I would have expected Scott, but I didn't expect that peak at 1 in the afternoon!

Looks like S69 is gonna have to get up at 4 am to really take advantage of the climbs..lmao...

But then again this also ties in with some other stuff I have read in the past with regards to a lot of the opld timers in that 90% of them would always workout as early as possible before work etc sooooo maybe instinctively they actually knew this but scientifically diddnt know the reason why training at this early hr produced gains......

Now tying all that in with regards to they only seemed to use 10-20mg dbol a day(dbol being sold in 5,10,50mg tab ranges)nobody has ever said actually when they took their pills so they could have been taking them straight after a workout with their breakfast so doing what we are actually saying and tieing together scientifically.....

HAHAHAHAHA I think I`ve just discovered the lost secrets of the ancients....gonna have to copyright this....lmho

samurai69 · 24-06-2005, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ONE SMART COOKIE

Looks like S69 is gonna have to get up at 4 am to really take advantage of the climbs..lmao...

I am up at 5:30 most days so thats close enough

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Originally Posted by ONE SMART COOKIE

But then again this also ties in with some other stuff I have read in the past with regards to a lot of the opld timers in that 90% of them would always workout as early as possible before work etc sooooo maybe instinctively they actually knew this but scientifically diddnt know the reason why training at this early hr produced gains......

All the stuff you read about old timers ie Huge steaks -creatine, gallons of milk - protein etc, its all instinctive and is being proved scientifically now :smoke:

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Biker · 24-06-2005, 12:26 PM

I'm not sure OSC I think about 7-8 would be the best time to take it just to make sure the natural ramp up takes place, taking at 4 may interfere with it... but as you know this is little more than guess work and I could be wrong

So say get up at 6 workout then take your pills.

firemansam · 24-06-2005, 12:38 PM

Very interesting read gents.
S69 how much cardio are you doing at the moment mate?
I was just curious as i have a half marathon coming up (helping a mate out, he needs a training partner) and as a few of the guy's know, i was looking to do a small cycle to stop myself going catabolic with all the running training.I will still continue with the weights but the cardio will be quiet high.So I wouldn't expect great gains in weight but it would hopefully hold onto some weight.
Good work on the journal.

samurai69 · 24-06-2005, 12:50 PM

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Very interesting read gents.
S69 how much cardio are you doing at the moment mate?
I was just curious as i have a half marathon coming up (helping a mate out, he needs a training partner) and as a few of the guy's know, i was looking to do a small cycle to stop myself going catabolic with all the running training.I will still continue with the weights but the cardio will be quiet high.So I wouldn't expect great gains in weight but it would hopefully hold onto some weight.
Good work on the journal.

I am doing a little bit of cycling and a few walking sessions, but whilst i was on cycle i got some shin pain (like the pump is too much in the tibialis anterior muscle sheath), It hasnt been so bad since. Sprinting through a game of lacrosse was ok last week, and no shortness of breath during the game apart from the normal

),

I am sure it would help you hold on to the weight

firemansam · 24-06-2005, 01:00 PM

Need to sort a few little things out but I will start this very soon I am sure. Will maybe give people another view with me doing the increased cardio. Not trying to hijack this mate just giving people another set of results (could even post training and progress in another thread if that is easier)
Cheers mate

samurai69 · 24-06-2005, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by firemansam

Need to sort a few little things out but I will start this very soon I am sure. Will maybe give people another view with me doing the increased cardio. Not trying to hijack this mate just giving people another set of results (could even post training and progress in another thread if that is easier)
Cheers mate

No problem with me either way mate, would be interested to see how yours is going with increased cardio

firemansam · 24-06-2005, 01:04 PM

Cheers. Will let you know when I am starting

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24-06-2005, 12:38 PM	#131 (permalink)
firemansam Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 112	Very interesting read gents. S69 how much cardio are you doing at the moment mate? I was just curious as i have a half marathon coming up (helping a mate out, he needs a training partner) and as a few of the guy's know, i was looking to do a small cycle to stop myself going catabolic with all the running training.I will still continue with the weights but the cardio will be quiet high.So I wouldn't expect great gains in weight but it would hopefully hold onto some weight. Good work on the journal.

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firemansam Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 112	Need to sort a few little things out but I will start this very soon I am sure. Will maybe give people another view with me doing the increased cardio. Not trying to hijack this mate just giving people another set of results (could even post training and progress in another thread if that is easier) Cheers mate

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firemansam Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 112	Cheers. Will let you know when I am starting