Biker

I think we are both often saying the same thing but from a different angle if that makes sense

Yes I don't doubt that even after you stop seeing weight appear on the scales there will still be other benefits.

I do think 20 mg would be better as 2 doses of 10mg would probably be much more effective than 3 x 5mg...

samurai69

this cycle i have been taking 15 mg AM, next time i will try 3x5mg

Timmy Smooth

Yes, that would provide an interesting comparison. Good cycle diary, Paul, it's going to surpass mine! ;)

ONE SMART COOKIE

Now I would say diffo as like I have mentioned in the past...scott et al all grew like weeds on 10mg aday..

now I do have a theory why this happened but more of that at a later date....

I would stick with the 15mg AM till you stop gaining "THEN" change to 3x5mg and see if there are any differences...this then gives you another angle to get feedback from..

Biker

I think 3x 5mg would be poor mate, and I know people are going to knock me over even blood levels but I think 15mg at one go or 10mg in the morning and 5mg at night would be better than 3 x 5mg,

The thing about taking it all in the morning is that it will give a peak but then again recovery should be even less of a problem because you're really only having something active in your system for a max of about 8 hours, so all at once might actually be the best method for your wants.

My bad for not picking up on that.

Biker

you slipped that in just before my reply above, are you thinking the same reasons?

samurai69

I do honestly beleive the low dose thing, and wanted to make it as thurer (i really cant spell that word just tried 3 different spellings ) as possible, so that people could see that gains are possible continuously on a relatively low dose cycle

samurai69

That makes sense, will stick to 3 in the AM as its easier then also

ONE SMART COOKIE

Possibly...I`ve always been curious about the right time medications(shall we say)should be taken to co inside with our natural bio rythms..now people have said that test leves are highest/lowest on a morning so going on that if they are say lowest on a morning and the dose is given will this stop the bodies natural production down quicker....if the test levels are at their peak in a morning then the body has already done its output for the day so they should in theory be no shutdown beacuse the dbol will be in and out before the body has had chance to know what hit it.....all theory mind you...

Timmy Smooth

Yes, I think it's very interesting using D-bol almost in a supplementary sense. One quick question - sorry if it's hijacking - it's my understanding the D-bol has androgenic properties. Does this mean that it has less of an effect on the HPTA system that an anabolic substance such as injectable test?

Sorry if it seems a naive question - my tangent is that if D-bol has a smaller impact on natural test production (at low doses), then I'd have thought there is a far greater potential for supplementary use.

Cheers.

ONE SMART COOKIE

I honestly beleive that anybody and I mean anybody can win shows/get big/huge on 1grm a week if all their cycles are done right from day one and they start off with this type of cycle(14 on 14 off etc)and gradually biuld from that over a number of years....

Biker

they are mate, I in the past used insane doses, then decided not to and dropped down to realtively low doses (still fairly high but total of all compounds about 700mg a week which was a lot less than before) still gained.

I tend to get people to start low but probably not as low as you have.

I hate seeing people using 3 products on their first cycle, another UK forum started a craze that a first cycle should be 500mg of Test, 400mg of deca and 50mg of dbol a week and you got laughed at for suggesting using any less! But then I also seen a mood on that forum suggest 750mg of sust a week to a first timer! madness!

In my eyes a first cycle should be dbol only or 250mg of test a week, just to see how it goes and in most cases if you don't gain you aren't eating well, or you may be one of the few with very high natural test levels.

Biker

oh good man that's what I like to hear.

Well their will be production all day, but as you say it peaks in the morning, so in my eyes if doing a single dose the best time should be as it peaks, hence by the time the tabs are broken down it shouldn't effect your natural peak and should in fact cause an increase on your peak.

I still think in the long term it will cause some shutdown, but it is the method with the least effect on hpta.

your theory is much the same as my thoughts so we might just be right

ONE SMART COOKIE

Dbol was actually released to the general public as a supplement for being underweight/malnutrition..it was just the bbing side of this sort of high jacked it..even though the weightlifting side used if first for supposably beating the russians at their own game...but I have a theory on that too:lift: for later

Biker

well small shows yes I would say you probably are right, I know a guy who regularly wins small shows and has never used more than 500mg of test a week, it my memory is correct with a little dbol, but he is of course and it won't surprise you to hear old school and now in the senior classes.

I also know a strongman who never uses more than 1g a week and he does well locally and gets into the BSM heats every year.