hackskii

Does that work?
I am ok with the urine but I will have to get some sheep to make this work.
Where can I buy some sheep?

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samurai69

Goats will do, go to your man with the colostrum :jerk: :jerk:

hackskii

HaaaaHaaaaa

Not only do you have a sense of humor, you are funny too.
Along with a good memory too :beer1:

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samurai69

Ok, Just weighed my self 15 days after starting my cycle. I was 88.5 kg (194 lbs) this morning I am 91 kg (200 lbs). I am sure there is a little fluid on, as i had some back pain (probably from water)

I will weigh myself again in 2 weeks time before starting my next 14 day cycle

samurai69

DAY 15
Smith machine press 100kg for 2 sets 8 reps
D-bell shoulder press 6/6/6 un spotted so didn push for extra reps
Shrugs 10/160, 8/200, 3/240, 1/250

could have pushed harder but forgot to bring my journal so guessed at top weights. Still felt good in the gym though




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samurai69

3rd day of training since the end of first cycle and the weights are staying the same or a slight increase in reps or weights, so thats good

Still drinking loads of water, but pi55ing slightly less

I decided to take nolvadex (at the end of cycle i had an itchy nip so thought i had better take one[probably not related-but better safe] so will continue to run the nolva for 10 days total) as well as creatine (this started late [today] as i had run out and this was first time to shop--- weider 100% pure is all they had----taking 5g per day).

MattyB

Hi Samurai69

Been following your post and im interested to c how u do on the d-bol. Im going on a course myself soon.

Im running 30mg for 6 weeks to try and put some good size on after being clean from steroids for over 11 months.

In the future though i think im going to adopt the shorter cycle strategy like yourself as i think its the way to go especially for those who have not already used big cycles.

The main reasons for me would be to prevent total shutdown and most side effects. After coming off Test it took over 6 months for my back to clear from spots. Dont want that to happen again. I also want to keep the gains ive made or at least 50% and this will b the way to do it.

Have u noticed any shutdown?

Have u noticed any sides apart from the slight water increase which is to b expected on d-bol anyway?

Your making very good progress mate, keep up the good work. Hope u achieve your goals.

MattyB

wicko69uk

Are you still getting pains in your shins now you've finished your first cycle samurai69??
making impressive gains btw

gary

I'm about 3 half weeks into my dbol cycle 30mg per day. No side effects not noticed any water retension. All my lifts are increasing nicely. Body weight increased by 9lb. Happy with the results at the moment but over the last 7 days i have noticed the biggest improvement

samurai69

Thanks

No sign of shutdown at all,

The water was minimal and poor technique/bravado probably started the back problem off

No, they pretty much stopped yesterday (3 days after)


I think for faster gains then, If its your first cycle you will see Bigger gains on a 6 - 8 week cycle of a higher dose (25 + mg), I think with the sides I was over critical and the slightest sign of change what so ever I noted down

My concern strength and size wise has been the reported losses afterwards (reduced by good pct)

Gary let me know how its going

I am going to continue on 14 on 14 off for two more cycles , to give it enough time, and the gains on the first have been good.

I do think a move to increase days on (rather than increasing mg) a bit longer may be advantageous (maybe cX's 25 x 17) or (21 on 21 off) possibly (21 on 14 off) as I was just really feeling the benefits when I stopped.

^^^^^^(cookie, hackskii, biker etc what do you think of the three changes above, which do you think would be better) ^^^^^^

But Its taken me 7+ years of training to get this far, I see no reason to
suddenly rush into short term strength/size gains, with more possible risks of shutdown / Acne / liver damage etc

I am sure the tinitis is nothing to do with AAs, I hade a problem before, which hasnt cleared properly, I am sure it will clear up with antibiotics, which i will take only after my third 14 day cycle is over

gary

Yes mate this is my first cycle. My recovery is better and i feel better within myself. My training partner commented that he as noticed that they are kicking in now. Now doing more reps on higher weight. Weight increase is steady. Generally put size on all over but my waist has dropped an inch which suits me.I will keep you informed mate.

hackskii

I think 14 days is a tad bit short.
I did a 30 day with D-bol, low dose @ 20 mg and noticed pretty good strenght gains.
Did notice a little shutdown tho.
Maybe the 17-25 day would avoid this.

14 days would be good for no shutdown but not that great for gains.
Longer cycles would be worse for shutdown but better for gains.
I guess finding that happy medium where you make some gains but minimising the shutdown would be best.
Cycling creatine here would be a good thing too.

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samurai69

well, the 14 days is working, but as i said it feels like its just kicking in then stops, if i go to long there is more shut down, so i will stick to the 14 on 14 off as i said earlier, for the next two cycles, then i am having a short break and will resume again so that i have a complete course again before xmas, this i think i will run longer

cX's is 25 on and 17 off, maybe i will move towards 21 on 14 off (more because its complete weeks and easier to work out in my head, but if i do that will 14 days between be enough? WHAT DO YOU THINK??

I am using creatine this one now all be it started a bit late


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Biker

I'd rather take 3 weeks off between them mate, and I'll bet you'll need to up the dose each time you try it to get the same results.

I recently had someone take 40mg of dbol ED for 8 weeks and they gained 15lbs, they wanted to do the same again and on the seconds run only gained 4lbs.

Aftershock

Well Im doing a 25/17 right now and im on day 13, im pleased with the results so far. I think because you know the cycle is short you put EVERYTHING into it, whereas with longer cycles and longer ethers the tendency is to rest on your laurels a bit, and theses to much dead time waiting for drugs to kick in or ware off.

The real test is how well you hold the gains between cycles I suppose.