samurai69

Apex (d-bol)

As a side note, the first time i took creatine 7 or so years ago i noticed a big jump on bench press. at the time went from about 50kg up to about 70kg

Hack, what time of day would you say would be best to take the nolva, from a purely testosterone boosting point of view

I thought last thing at night to promote a boost in the am ????




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BUMP for hack the mans reply How much has your weight gone up samurai mate? a lb or 2? more? how are you feeling generally whilst on?

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samurai69

Will measure weight properly on monday, just had a sneaky peek,

Feel ok, maybe a bit grumpier, but not so you would notice, a bit more determined in the gym.

These back aches only happened yesterday and probably wouldnt have been noticable if i hadn pushed hard on back day

The 2 cramps were no worse than anything I have had before, the shin pain whilst walking is annoying

samurai69

Just did 100's on leg ext, seated leg curl, leg press and seated calf, and my muscles are still shaking now, what a good workout in a short time.
Couldnt do squats as lower back is aching a lot now.

samurai69

Last training day before finishing this part of cycle, two more days of d-bol, then will start nolvadex on monday, one tab a day for 14 days.

Will post up weight on monday, confident that there is a very acceptable gain.

Today was arm day.

managed 3 setsof 8 reps on d bell curls at 30kg (felt a lot easier) then had a go with 35kg (i know this is too heavy, but managed 4 rather sloppy reps). Tricep press downs were even better and went from 55kg (which i managed last week to 57kg and then managed 4 at 60 kg), so definately some good strength increases.

Still drinking shed loads of water (temperature is kreeping up 32 today and 38 forecast for tomorrow)

Lower back is still achey

the_gre8t_1ne

damn, ur making crazy gains in such a short time! I wish I was able to achieve that!

samurai69

I still reckon half of its a mind thing, If its like this on the next I will be really happy.
Cant say i really notice much in the mirror, but scales say weight is on, will not post pics or stats until after the end of the second run, incase there is a big drop in weight from fluid etc :(

ONE SMART COOKIE

Why are you using nolva for 14 days after such a short cycle??????

I would have thought some trib & zinc would have been a better option and maybe a little creatine to hold onto the fluid in the muscles fom the dbol before the next cycle.

samurai69

After reading this

and this quote

so will try it for the following 14 days, i will continue to monitor progress / gains and if it seems to be working will continue after the second 14 day run of d-bol, if not then i wont use it again unless there are any signs of gyno


The creatine maybe a good idea, what would you suggest 5g witout a loading dose would seem right???


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hackskii

Absolutly use creatine during your 14 day off for sure.

Hey, you can do what you want, it is all trackable in this diary and this is permanent.
What better record can one have but a daily journal tracking results?
Its a good thing......

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ONE SMART COOKIE

The drawback to using the nolva on your time off is that your still on a drug and not giving the body to correct itself on its own..plus nolva can be hard on the liver.imo..so what with the dbol stressing the liver you then add the nolva and your stressing it a little more all be it small but its never going to get chance to right itself..imho...

Think homeostasis all the way and the gains will come all be it more slowly than somebody thats impatient/foolish enough to bang gear in no matter the cost......

I would use one of the cell volumising creating product...eg..san turbo et al....and just follow the guide lines on the tub for say 10 days then 4 days of totally clean before doing your cycle again......

cookie........

samurai69

Ok, so maybe will drop the nolva, will def stick with a creatine, and 10 days sounds ok. will wait until monday to see exactly - any more suggestions ?? - I have an open mind to this whole thing

ONE SMART COOKIE

I`ve heard drinking your own urine and standing in sheep sh!t makes you grow raflmao........

Seriously just stick with the trib & zinc like I said;) and add the creatine ok

cookie.......

samurai69

LOL, thanks, might give that one a miss

samurai69

Ok, yesterday was my birthday, we went to a multi sports day, so did not train, had 3 or 4 ciders and then went for a curry, so not too good food wise and half way through the night was sick (not from alchol) so not so good there either

Played 15 mins of Lacrosse, sprints so no real pains from fluid or anything.

Today I feel ok, no back ache and this evening i am going out for a few more drinks at a friends birthday.

Then 2 weeks off, It will be interesting to see how the strength and weight are over this period.