Lux

Thanks for that mate.

On day 2 of time off now so might see about possibly extending to 16 days on next time.

Still considering going back on after 14 days rather than 21 as was just taking 5mg naposims. Got plenty of time to decide what i'll do so my thoughts might change yet

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samurai69

didnt realise you were actually on a cycle, is it the first one of 14x14, if so try that for a couple of cycles and then try 16x21 for a couple and see the difference................i certainly noticed the diference between 14 and 16 days on

Lux

Yeah mate. Just finished the 1st cycle of 14 on. Weight was fluctuating but strength continued to increase.

Towards the end of my 2 weeks on i was starting to feel kind of beat up as my workload had got a bit more busy compared to previous weeks. That along with the fact i was pushing hard in the gym and struggling to get quality sleep has led me to having a deload week at the moment.

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When should I be looking to take creatine

half am and half pm??? or just before training?

Going to get some mono 2moro as it will be my first day off cycle

Lux

I personally just have mine in my post workout shake mate. Or if not training i just take one lot in the afternoon

How much dbol have you been taking?

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This is a great journal samurai69, its thought me so much.
I'm now leaning heavily towards a low d-bol dosage 5mg for a 14on 14 off.
Many thanks for sharing your experiences.

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samurai69

thats cool...............maybe think about the 16 on 21 off, which i was discussing earlier in the thread...........i did feel the extra days on gave me a training boost and the 21 days off (should) give you better recovery

but either way, i hope it works ok for you

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Tomorrow is last day of the 10 days of trib and zma. Havn't really bothered with much creatine as didn't feel i was holding water, so no need to try and retain it.

I'm a bit unsure about what to do with the zma tho?

Part of me is saying to stop taking it and clear my body of any test boosting supps before i go back on cycle on sunday.

But on the other hand, zma is a very good supp to aid in recovery so maybe still take it?

I'm leaning more towards clean my system in prep for back on the dbol?

Whats your thoughts mate?

And for anybody checking progress. Weight fluctuated a bit and strength gained very well. If work wasn't as demanding on the 2nd week "on" then i would have broke PB's at every workout. I still broke some so its all good.

I've lost fat and generally look better in the mirror. Back in the gym today after taking a weeks break so the numbers should be rising again vey soon

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I would take it on an empty stomach before bed and get a really good night sleep.
Sleep is so important. Lack of good quality sleep can give you low tes levels, low hgh levels and can make you carry more body fat, not to mention recovery from a good workout.

So take your zma! ;)

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i would agree with that


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any plans sam to try any other 14x14 style cycles.. :rolleye11

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So what in your opinion is the best way to run this protocol?
I've been reading cheefx's posts about; taken 25 days on 17 off then 25 days on 24 days off.
What are your opinions on this?
The whole idea of me doing this is just to boost growth abit without dosing large amounts of aas.

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samurai69

yes

16 x 21 t bol on same starting dose of 5mg, but not until i am able to train with back at the gym........only some d bells (and the beach) at the moment

samurai69

well i was moving towards the 16 on 21 off route at the end of my cycles as i explained earlier, but i think the 14x14 is definately simpler and it worked well for me over a good few cycles


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irwit

just a note for the questions on zma. Do not take within a couple of hours of calcium. Calcium stops the absorbsion of zma into the body and so no point taking it.
I leave my zma by the bed with a bottle of water and just as im noddin off get it down me.