NeilpWest

strange how diff people react so differently i am trying dbol out for 6-8weeks just to see what its like so i can use to kick start my next cycle and ive had to up it to 60mg aday to notice any gains started at 20mg and i might as well not have been taking any thing, still have had no blood pressure issues etc like i did with test either.

ONE SMART COOKIE

Hence the reason why I always recommend very low dose first cycle advice, we never know how somebody will react to any particular drug and once its in its in.

So do you take a chance and use a longer acting test at the usually forum recommended doses of 250-500mgs or play it safe and simple and use an oral at 5-10mgs?

I know which I would prefer...

NeilpWest

Yea agree mate my 1st cycle i did 250 ew test to gauge how i would take it. Im currently trying dbol i started it at 20mg and didnt get any thing so i have gradually upped the dose.

13stonetarget

It makes a whole lot of sense. I'm glad I decided to take that route rather than anything else.

winger

Why not take a shorter acting tes like prop? That's what the body produces anyways.

Captain Hero

Short low dosage test prop :love: sounds good

winger

Well tes is the grandaddy of steroids. If they put a guy on trt/hrt they don't give them dbol and orals are harder on the body are they not?

justdiscovering

im on trt on test undeaconate 30mg tabs.

ONE SMART COOKIE

Did prop with Shovelman (check his journal) but the days on off needs altering to work with half lifes etc..

winger

That is the first time I have heard that.

kalispimenta

The funny thing is i remember back in the day when i had to pop 5-6 ecstasy's for my brain to start kicking, i guess different drugs, different bodies, different effects.Anyway i upped to 10mg and still good no s.e..We'll see

Tall

No sourcing.

winger

Calling yourself big matt, you probably don't need any gear, just a proper diet.

Lux

Hi samurai, thought i'd post this here as your reply may also be of benefit to others using the 14x14.

Just rereading other posts on this method and was wondering how you gauged if somebody needed to take the trib and zinc or not to bother?

My plan is to be taking for 10 days:
creatine
1000mg trib morning and evening
zma before bed

I also read that 14x21 *might* be better as the body will possibly desensitise to the dbol and then cause you to get better bang for your buck once you start back on?

samurai69

let me try to answer the second bit first, when i was doing the 14 x14, during the last day or two of the 14 days on i felt the d-bol kicking in and a boost in my training intensity, so by adding an extra 2 days here would feel the effects/benefits in my training a little more, without risking any additional shutdown, then by adding extra days to the off cycle, i would recover a little more from the longer layoff, also with 21 days off and taking trib and creatine, the extra few days would allow a few extra days of total rest.

as for the first part of the question, i can only really go from my experiances and in the first 2 or 3 cycles i took the trib and creatine, in the next 2 cycles i had run out of trib and by the 6th or so cycle i didnt have any creatine left...............so on my part it was lazyness really...........but, when i was taking the creatine i noticed it did help, i think the trib is a way of speeding up the recovery process.

so maybe try it as the 16 x 21 and then during the off part go with your 10 days with all the supplements, then after the 10 days stick with the creatine for another few days and then stop everything for the last 7 days of the off time................just a suggestion