samurai69

TBH i didnt watch my calorie intake too much, all i did from my normal 2500 to 3000 cal was add in a couple of extra protein shakes then later in the cycles i added more fats to up the cals........TBH i only just managed the 3000 cals..........my diet isnt overly high in added carbs, most of the sugars i get from additional fruit and veg.........and i do like basmati rice (probably only real carb)

cookie can probably remember more of the facts and figures, but my diet was pretty clean before hand with just some added proteins and fats whilst on and that alsoe fluctuated, i still made gains on this cycle even during the times when my diet went pretty sh1tty

samurai69

also noted when you are training for your run i would increase carbs more too

but cookie will definately help point you in the right direction as far as diet goes

ONE SMART COOKIE

Busy now but will answer laters...

But while I`m at it

Why has this thread been removed from being a sticky?

Given especially its high viewings and post counts, not to mention the information it contains.................

And I would like an answer please...........

Great White

Because there was a point it hadnt been posted on for over 4 months.

I just unstuck it when I was cleaning up all the forums.

ONE SMART COOKIE

Strange decision..imo.. given as its the highest viewed thread with the second highest posted replies....

Never realised there was a time limit on valuable sensible information.......

Bulldozer

I once read this whole thread, it took me all day! I think its possible the most interesting thread on this entire board.

Cookie, I have no intention of using gear, but im curious as to your opinion of using a very small dose of fast acting injectable test , such as prop instead of dbol.

5 very small dose injections spaced out E3D. So the times the prop is out of your system it would be 15 days on, you could then have 15 days clean.

Could this kinda very small dose prop injections substitute for the dbol and still not shut you down ? (i dont have a dose in mind as i dont know enough about gear, but im talking what would be the approx equivilant of 10mg d bol)


As i say mate, im just curious. If im talking sh*t then just say, i wont take offence

ONE SMART COOKIE

Funny you should bring that up as I was only explaining to somebody last week over MSN that that cycle above *was my original plan* when I concieved this idea back in 1996 when I was going to have a couple of years off gear (forced off actually) and use it as my way back into gaining mass & competing again when some other stuff was sorted out....

I never really brought the shots idea up on the boards as I knew most beginers wouldn`t be too up on the idea of banging in needles, so I`ve only mentioned it to maybe a couple of other people who asked over the years....

It is a good plan...IMHO...to use very very short low low dose cycles of propionate and maybe at some point somebody use it like I originally intended it to be used......

Bulldozer

Aww cool, thanks cookie monster

It wasn't a daft question after all then ! Guess that way you bypass any liver toxicity.

Cheers dude

fits

I think if any one is going to try AAS or for people who have used before, this is a sensible way to go about it. i like to see more people trying it this way rather than jumping straight into larger doses. And with more people trying it we will hopefully see more positive results and outcomes.

samurai69

right, well i am coming over to uk in a few weeks then after that i will run 3 more 14x14 cycles starting with a 5mg dose per day in the first 14 day cycle then up to 10 mg for the second and third cycles

i will keep a starting and finishing log again to chart gains

training will be based around a 3 times per week full body routine with one day of 5x5's second day of bodyweight based exercises (10 to 15 rep - with weight added if necessary - also rings training here) and the third will be a plyometrics/odd lifts training day (k bells, sand bags etc - will incorperate boxing/ma training too - rep range will vary according to exercises)

Diet will be quite fixed during the week but with weekends off as we have a lot of functions to go to upto and including xmas

if the cycles run into xmas i will take a break then as i am again going to be in UK over the festive period

then after xmas i will probably try a similar cycle using t bol (for fit's es info) then later possibly a Var cycle along the same lines

:beer1:


:lift:

fits

Good stuff sam. I'm back on next week, Im justtesting it at the moment ill make a log when i get back from hols. I'd like to know how you get on with Var and Tbol as you have had alot of 14x14 experiance, and you know your body well so will notice the subtle changes/differences.

samurai69

are you around when i come over?? for a meet up??

ONE SMART COOKIE

TBH S69 I would much prefer to see you push the boat out a little and do 14x21.

samurai69

That may be an option, i was toying with a couple of varying levels maybe a 16 x 21, as i felt the benefits at about day 13 or 14 and would be nice to get the added advantages in training, and then a fuller recovery with the 21 days
, but atleast with 14x14 i know what to expect...............maybe 14 or 16 x 21....lets see

cookie what would you say the true advantages of 14x21 would be

fits

Maybe, if your here end of sep....of on a holiday early oct, not sure when exactly, not booked yet.