samurai69

had to miss a weeks worth of training due to injury and ilness, but decided to continue with the cycle and TBH i am glad i did, i have stayed at 95 kg but lost some BF so look better .......

I am back training this week and things are feeling good

I have one more cycle before going back to the uk and will be glad if i put on a 1lb or so before then that would mean 15 stone, and i will settle for that

Then next year i will take 3 months off cycle and then do april, may and june the same cycles as this year unless i dont see any gains

whilst i am in the uk i will pick up some supps trib and fish oils etc for between cycles (though i have a contact who can get me US supps sent through to their forces PO so maybe i will look at us Co.'s too)

Since starting on 6th June i have gone from 88.5 kg (194.7 lbs) to 95.5 kg ( 210.1 lbs) thats 15.4 lbs gained in under 6 months and still one more cycle to go

My diet has been good sometimes and i have had a few bad weeks and a few average weeks

I have had a couple of mild ilnesses and a couple of injuries.....other than these set backs my training has been pretty consistant and strength gains have continued too.

THIS SYSTEM MAY NOT BE FOR EVERYBODY, BUT IF YOU ARE PLANNING A FIRST CYCLE AND ARE NOT IN TOO MUCH OF A HURRY THIS IS DEFINATELY WORTH A LOOK

firemansam

Congratulations mate, it has taken a lot of dedication from yourself as well so don't forget that major factor.
Well done

Slaine

How long wil dbol stay in your system for any 1 know ?

hackskii

About 24 hours.

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fits

OI!!!!

stop highjacking the thread! can you give some updates S69? any one else have info that has tried the same or similar cycles?

winger

Bump for samurai69! I feel ya fits. ;)

fits

I just tfind this thread very interesting and refer to it alot and i am running my net at a whoooping 29 kbps so it take ages to open pages so i can do with out the extra stuff LOL not offence intended ofcourse!

S69, i think your steady gains are very interesting, think ill give this a go when im back in UK, was going to try whilst back here in india but decided too late and did not leave enough time to get D-bol!

All seems like it workd out like OSC was suggesting it might. What were your gains like before you started? and how has your diet/training changed from before? or hasn't it?

If the extra weight was water, woudl you start to loose it in your two wees off? do you feel it is muscle you have gained?

cheers pal!

samurai69

some good questions there.....

This last 2 weeks off, i have cut food a bit (just to cut up a bit - i seem to have burned fat and it doesnt seem to have crept into the muscle at all) and increased reps on sets by quite a bit (due to back problems that i do not want to flare up - and also have been doing some more Martial arts stuff and wanted to speed up punches and stuff).

even after doint the above i have stayed at 95kg which is excellent, i have resigned my self a bit that i am not gounh to hit 100kg before xmas so have settled on hitting (and keeping) 210lbs.

my last 2 week cycle of this year i am bumping up protein and calories again and going back to heavy weights (as the d-bol seems to prefer it that way) around to 4 - 8 rep range

My diet changed in as far as i cleaned it up most of the time.....having said that 6 months is a long time and there have been a fair few times that i have been BAD :rolleye11 .................Training didnt change too much really, though looking back on records, as training intensity increased during workouts then there was a drop off of reps on some exercises and also an occasional drop in sets (ie 3 sets insted of 4 or 4 instead of 5-----never lower than 3 sets).

as far as water, i would say there isnt much chance of water bloat over 2 weeks on that low a dose, so i dont think much if any of the weight gain has been water........on cycle i get some back pain in the second week and for some reason the anterior tibialis (front shin) hurts like mad about halfway through the second week.....both are probably from water to some degree

as for gains made before and after, i was making slow steady gains before this with a fair amount of sticking points, but at 42 (41 when i started) things were definately slowing down...........so any boosts that supplementation could provide were probably necessary ;)

As i have said from just after the very first 2 week cycle everything OSC has said have been proved right. :beer1: OSC

As written above, i am going to take about 3 months off cycle, during this time i am going to split training between higher rep and heavy training and build on my cardio (which i have neglected - on cycle), then i am going to continue on the d-bol for the three months upto june - - - - So my complete year will be documented here, after which i am going to look at similar cycle with either t-bol or var for some good strength gains so OSC if you are looking at this please give me your ideas or comments

ONE SMART COOKIE

Dbol takes about 40hrs to clear the system...

Doesn`t it always...lmao..

Been my pleasure to help and to finally see this idea I had sooo long ago finally get a "proper" run to see if it works and it does..thanks for having the confidence in me to try it.....

I originally did the my trial runs with winstrol and liked it so it would be interesting to see what the out come would be long term with that compound,plus there would be less chance of any water retention with winny so the gains may be slower but I would think more noticable..

Stregnth wise I always liked anavar...might take a little juggling due to the quick strength gains anavar can give which could lead to big drops post cycle but with the cycle being short it may work in its favour in that the gains might not be as much compared to a longer cycle plus less chance of injury due to the anavar making people too strong too quickly that the muscles cannot keep pace with the tendons....

I`ll mull over it for the next few months and we`ll have something for you when the time is right.....

samurai69

tendons should be pretty strong as they have always had time to keep up with muscle gains ,being natural for so long

with the above, what would be the better for the joints (or the least damaging at least)

definately like this idea though, keep thinking about this one mate.....as i said, going to keep this up until i have done a full circle (6TH JUNE 2006)

fits

Top thread laes!!!

Loads of info here! and i will be giving this ago when i get back to UK (if i cant get dbol out here)

I dotn know what T Bol is so ill go look it up now!

So you gained over 15 lbs in 6 months (or a little less) i think thats brilliant, no sides (apart from back) not too hard on your body. In 6 months what would the usual bb get in? one or two cycles? maybe an 8 to 12 weeek cycle then 3 months of? and after the water etc comes offf, how many will have a 15lbs gain? these are genuine questions lol

great stuff S69, will u be putting before and after pics upover xmas? or at the end next june maybe?

ONE SMART COOKIE

I cannot see either affecting joints...but cost wise the winny would be the better option, then again the anavar could give some nice slow solid gains...so maybe might be worth doing 6 months worth of cycles of each to see what you get out of them....

My personel preference would be winstrol...but thats just me, I always liked winstrol.

Most of these have been answered in previous posts...lol...but yeah some would get maybe 3 cycles done if they were a shic cycle(Short High Intensity Course) which is roughly 1 month on 1 month off.....usually lots of gear used and hit it hard then rest...gains come thick and fast but my worry is, would the side effects catch up at a later date due to the amounts some people use
and how much of the gains are initially water..

Thats why I feel and always have that yeah shorter cycles are the way to go but the dosage has also to be kept low as to avoid side effects and that if the body doesnt realise that the gear is in there in the first place then the likelyhood of sides happening to any great degree are vastly reduced, but your still going to get gains from the small amount of gear used and can continue to get gains for a far greater amount of time without burning out the body and oversaturating the receptor sites so ever needing to up the dosages every few cycles to keep gains coming...which could lead to health probs later on, and some post cycles crashes also..imo...

I`m just glad that S69 tried it and found it works(like I said it would..lol) but as for it being used by others regulary...mmmm possibly not as with all things bodybuilding it has to be extreme to work or its shunned and ridiculed...even if the newer idea kills dead all those old myths(which we have a lot off in bbing) and myths in this sport are hard to die.....

I`ve said this before if this cycle is used and used right with 100% correct diet and training the gains would be outstanding...I think year on year gains like S69 has had so far and maybe even more......

samurai69

well, got to get a new camera (over in uk at christmas - cheaper there) so i will post up some picks when i get back.......

dont know how they will look as i am really planning a big junkfest while in the uk (make up for a 4 year break) so will definately be heavier, but probably fat and fluid.

doner kebabs, fried fresh cod, real sausages, pork pies, real BACON sarnies and xmas dinner, plus a fair bit of booze, english beer :beer1:

should get 2 or 3 training sessions per week in though :lift:



OSC, if i had less of a break (than the 3 months planned) what would be the best thing, as i am planning on hitting cardio quite hard and lifting lighter and for higher reps during that time (1 to cut up a bit, but mostly for fitness as i am doing a lot mor MA training - certainly over those first 3 months)
Would i be better to continue cycle and hope the d-bol helps me retain the muscle - i am not planning on any real dietry changes, as i reckon the increased cardio and change of workout will do the fat loss for me, may actually have to increase cals during this time
Cardio will be mostly cycling, but i will have to run a bit as in march i will be doing an 8k fun run and i would quite like to get my erg time back up (if it doesnt hurt my back too much).

samurai69

TBH, i think gains better than mine are more than possible, i am probably not as motivated as some could be, diet has only been 100% for about 50% of the time, I have no plans to compete or similar
When i started this, i was sure it would work, i am glad it did, probably more than i expected, its been cheap to run too, 1 pack of nolva only 1/2 used and still got plenty more d-bol (apex sell in 500's) certaily enough for the remainder of my year on.

Actually OSC, depending on the dosages you suggest on t-bol, var or winny, cycles shouldnt be too expensive.

ONE SMART COOKIE

I would just continue to run the 14x14 even with the new program your going to be doing..it`ll be interesting to see how the system will work with a cutting type regime(I already know the answer but will be nice to see the results in print on the net...lol)and how it will effect things like cardio and runnibng etc.....

Dosage wise I would stick with the 15mg one you are on...no need to go any higher imho....I would get freaky strong on 12-15mg anavar a day..we will just have to alter your supps and diet to suit the anavar compared to other compounds..

Why alter a winning dosage...plus there are some stuff that can be done to improve absorbtion which have been dicussed before to get the max out of every bit you take....