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firemansam · 23-10-2005, 12:00 PM

That was an interesting chat on warming up but i can tell you that when i am back to the training i will definately be using the 14/14 with gabba,trib, zinc,clen for first 7 days off then 7 days of nothing and repeat. i will also be warming up a little LOL
Am iright in the above OSC? as i lost my operating system on my pc and had to buy a new one so do not have any documents left, that is off the top of my head.

fits · 23-10-2005, 12:05 PM

My pleasure...

I didnt start shaving till after I started using gear(18yrs old) so I was probably like you and suffered from low test levels and the early gear cycles I did seemed to correct this problem for me which could mean that if a small dose is used and used correctly it may help to kickstart/correct any natural imbalances that people have....all theory mind you on personel experiance..

I know who your in india with and yeah I can understand you not wanting to get his goat up:rolleye11 we dont want another discussion like we had on the other board like we did about warming up properly:p[/quote]

YUP lol He comes from hard core gyms and its 'JUST DO IT' and it works for him, but i like your aproach, start small and dont do more than you have to, more thought behinde it.

fits · 23-10-2005, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by firemansam

That was an interesting chat on warming up but i can tell you that when i am back to the training i will definately be using the 14/14 with gabba,trib, zinc,clen for first 7 days off then 7 days of nothing and repeat. i will also be warming up a little LOL
Am iright in the above OSC? as i lost my operating system on my pc and had to buy a new one so do not have any documents left, that is off the top of my head.

oh whats this then??? LOL gabba zink clen first 7?? was this a little extra tip OSC that the fireman has just shared? lol or was that posted on the forum?

ONE SMART COOKIE · 23-10-2005, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by firemansam

That was an interesting chat on warming up but i can tell you that when i am back to the training i will definately be using the 14/14 with gabba,trib, zinc,clen for first 7 days off then 7 days of nothing and repeat. i will also be warming up a little LOL
Am iright in the above OSC? as i lost my operating system on my pc and had to buy a new one so do not have any documents left, that is off the top of my head.

A little off but we can sort that out buddy once your fit and well again...

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YUP lol He comes from hard core gyms and its 'JUST DO IT' and it works for him, but i like your aproach, start small and dont do more than you have to, more thought behinde it.

Come from hardcore myself I just learnt to think outside of the box and question anything/everything and everyone...:p

Who would have thought that after leaving school with naff all in qualifications I might end up actually half good at something...:rolleye11

firemansam · 23-10-2005, 01:05 PM

Always delivering cookie fair play to you LOL
yes the pun was intented

ONE SMART COOKIE · 23-10-2005, 03:05 PM

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oh whats this then??? LOL gabba zink clen first 7?? was this a little extra tip OSC that the fireman has just shared? lol or was that posted on the forum?

It was something tailored to firemansam...so yeah an extra tip that was supposed to be a secret..lol...aaahhh well suppose its better to share something from time to time...good karma and all...lol.

**hackskii** · 23-10-2005, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by fits

I am very impressed with the last response OSC thanks for that. the above answers my next question, which was how will it effect DHT as it is probably the moajour factor in why i have not tried AAS before. never mind th egyno, enlarged prostate etc i was worried about my hair..................which i think ill probably have to start shaving soon any how!

Testosterone converts to two different compounds in the body, both by enzyme activity.
First estradiol vie way of the aromatase enzyme or aromatization, Testosterone is metablized to 5a-Dihydrotestosterone (DHT) by the enzyme 5a-Reductase.

Both have a negative feedback on the HPTA, but both are needed by the body as well.
Estrogen keeps the pituitary gland sensitive to GnRH from the hypothalamus (upregulated).

You can block the aromatization into estrogen by several simple ways including diet, DIMM, Stinging nettle, zinc, all natural approaches but it can be done chemically with uses like arimidex, femera, among others.

DHT can be blocked naturally (so I read) by the herb Saw Palmetto, but I am not too sure about this.
It can be chemically blocked by the prescription drug proscar.
DHT is a androgen and very similar to testosterone, which is necessary for puberty and the development of the prostate and genitalia (penis, scrotum and urethra).

firemansam · 23-10-2005, 07:00 PM

ooppss sorry fella. Thought it had been mentioned before.

samurai69 · 27-10-2005, 10:43 AM

Took OSC's advice and didnt go back on, so am going to start again on monday 1st Nov, which will still allow for one last cycle before hitting uk

Have managed to stay the same weight, which is amazing considering how much was coming out - both ends (i know, too much info)......glad weight is ok

Back in gym this week and workouts have been going well, missed leg day again as i feel lower back has not recovered fully

ONE SMART COOKIE · 27-10-2005, 03:49 PM

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Back in gym this week and workouts have been going well, missed leg day again as i feel lower back has not recovered fully

Glad to see you are on the mend bro...

Are you using any ice and heat therapy to quicken up any healing that may be muscular?

samurai69 · 27-10-2005, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ONE SMART COOKIE

Glad to see you are on the mend bro...

Are you using any ice and heat therapy to quicken up any healing that may be muscular?

No, pretty sure its compression thats causing the problem,,,,,,I am doing a massage on a woman next week, and she does shiatsu so will get her to have a look as a trade off

I am just being cautious as i have these self defence things and could do without injury

winger · 27-10-2005, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by hackskii

You can block the aromatization into estrogen by several simple ways including diet, DIMM, Stinging nettle, zinc, all natural approaches but it can be done chemically with uses like arimidex, femera, among others.

Nice ;)

ONE SMART COOKIE · 27-10-2005, 04:03 PM

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No, pretty sure its compression thats causing the problem,,,,,,I am doing a massage on a woman next week, and she does shiatsu so will get her to have a look as a trade off

Maybe you should look into the alexander technique to help here then...

Dont know much myself about it(yet) but read only good stuff so far..

samurai69 · 27-10-2005, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ONE SMART COOKIE

Maybe you should look into the alexander technique to help here then...

Dont know much myself about it(yet) but read only good stuff so far..

Good point, i have a book on it somewhere

samurai69 · 02-11-2005, 10:56 AM

Back on cycle this week after stomach upset etc......

Takeing tabs at lunch time instead of morning, so i have had a couple of meals before taking tabs, just incase they were causing the problem

otherwise back on course

got two more thursdays of self defence stuff to go so will not train legs until after then.......having said that getting up of the floor 40 or so times in a session is probably working them a bit

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firemansam Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 112	That was an interesting chat on warming up but i can tell you that when i am back to the training i will definately be using the 14/14 with gabba,trib, zinc,clen for first 7 days off then 7 days of nothing and repeat. i will also be warming up a little LOL Am iright in the above OSC? as i lost my operating system on my pc and had to buy a new one so do not have any documents left, that is off the top of my head. __________________ Learning more every day.

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firemansam Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 112	Always delivering cookie fair play to you LOL yes the pun was intented __________________ Learning more every day.

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firemansam Gym Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Wales Posts: 112	ooppss sorry fella. Thought it had been mentioned before. __________________ Learning more every day.

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23-10-2005, 12:05 PM	#392 (permalink)
fits Getting HUGE! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: East London Posts: 1,348	My pleasure... I didnt start shaving till after I started using gear(18yrs old) so I was probably like you and suffered from low test levels and the early gear cycles I did seemed to correct this problem for me which could mean that if a small dose is used and used correctly it may help to kickstart/correct any natural imbalances that people have....all theory mind you on personel experiance.. I know who your in india with and yeah I can understand you not wanting to get his goat up:rolleye11 we dont want another discussion like we had on the other board like we did about warming up properly:p[/quote] YUP lol He comes from hard core gyms and its 'JUST DO IT' and it works for him, but i like your aproach, start small and dont do more than you have to, more thought behinde it.

27-10-2005, 10:43 AM	#399 (permalink)
samurai69 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mid Portugal - by the sea Posts: 3,076	Took OSC's advice and didnt go back on, so am going to start again on monday 1st Nov, which will still allow for one last cycle before hitting uk Have managed to stay the same weight, which is amazing considering how much was coming out - both ends (i know, too much info)......glad weight is ok Back in gym this week and workouts have been going well, missed leg day again as i feel lower back has not recovered fully

02-11-2005, 10:56 AM	#405 (permalink)
samurai69 Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Mid Portugal - by the sea Posts: 3,076	Back on cycle this week after stomach upset etc...... Takeing tabs at lunch time instead of morning, so i have had a couple of meals before taking tabs, just incase they were causing the problem otherwise back on course got two more thursdays of self defence stuff to go so will not train legs until after then.......having said that getting up of the floor 40 or so times in a session is probably working them a bit